Grok Build

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loufe•35m ago

I wonder if releasing this may have been on the roadmap, but been prioritized as a bit of whiplash following the "you forfeit the entirety of your working directory as a condition of working with this tool" upset from a few days ago.

dmix•9m ago

Most likely, SpaceX killed the code uploading yesterday so they are definitely concerned about the backlash

> The researcher who exposed Grok Build uploading users' entire repositories to cloud storage says the transfers have stopped after a server-side change. Elon Musk has separately promised that all previously uploaded user data will be deleted.

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/07/14/musk-promis...

justinkramp•32m ago

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tomhow•28m ago

Please don't just post the most obvious snarky comment about a given topic. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mattbillenstein•14m ago

Sorta amazes me how people in various levels of power will not say the obvious thing or actively discourage saying the obvious thing because it might offend Elon.

Recently all the big bank CEOs involved with the SpaceX IPO - a lot of money in that for them - but a company trading at 100x sales is clearly crazy.

ofjcihen•8m ago

Yeah I don’t get it. These are legitimate questions to ask considering what happened recently.

Being nice, maybe Tomhow is just unaware?

ofjcihen•17m ago

Honestly a great question. I mean if it’s open source someone will check (I don’t use xAI but believe me I would be checking first if I did).

petesergeant•29m ago

Neat, trying to reverse engineer some specifics of how it does stuff has been a pain in the ass, and this will make it easier.

SimianSci•28m ago

Grok has had far too many instances where its clear that the team building it cannot be trusted and does not care to build trustworthy products. I highly caution anyone from using any tools from xAi, as they have clearly shown themselves to be bad actors within the space.

jamiequint•26m ago

Do you have any examples to illustrate these extraordinary claims?

agartner•25m ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48892468

jamiequint•18m ago

read the top comment

mplewis•16m ago

read any of your other replies

ryandrake•13m ago

OP seems to be asking for examples with an intent to dismiss and downplay each of them, and not to actually read into them and challenge his existing beliefs about X/Grok/Musk.

jamiequint

calldacopsidgaf•25m ago

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dimgl•22m ago

Why snowflakes? You can use /feedback in the app.

softwaredoug•23m ago

Everything is moving to frontier labs inserting themselves into work you do. Model quality, while important, is gradually becoming a commodity. Especially when you consider most work tasks we would assign an agent can now trivially be done with simpler models than even a year ago.

Better, strategically, for you to be locked-in to their tool to do your job. The new Microsoft of sorts?

arcanemachiner•23m ago

I'll probably never use this, but at least they're not delusional enough to attempt to justify keeping their coding agent closed-source, especially after their recent data-harvesting cockup:

https://cereblab.com/

simianwords•22m ago

Sigh, why has the industry converged on TUI? Branding and aesthetics over functionality?

TUI is just much worse for me. I tried Codex CLI vs Codex UI and Codex UI beats it at every level.

tommica•20m ago

Interesting - seen some good experiencences in using grok by some devs, so maybe could be considered as an alternative to my beloved chinese models. Also, hard to give up on pi agent.

dimgl•8m ago

Grok Build seems faster to me than `omp` and Claude Code but I can't put my finger as to why. Anecdotally, after disabling code uploads the agent doesn't respond instantly anymore (it used to respond within milliseconds).

lifthrasiir•17m ago

Is this the infamous "cloud upload" routine? I'm not sure it is indeed insidious, though it is of course possible that the code has been filtered out. https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codeg...

losvedir•17m ago

But I thought just cutting and pasting your whole source code file into grok.com was the way to go? Better than a harness like Cursor.

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1943178423947661609

whalesalad•17m ago

Let's all upload our home directories to GCP at the same time. 3... 2... 1... go!

ahmadyan•9m ago

i think xai is now in pure damage control mode, after they caught exfiltrating data from users.

- There is a huge difference between logging user queries (which would include only the portion the model is reading) and exfiltrating user data (including env files, entire source code etc) which is what grok-build did here (https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codeg...). I would stay away from this open-source malware with a 10ft pole.

- if you like grok-4.5 model (it is a good model), i suggest use the model directly via API, or use Grok's oauth tokens if you are using supergrok+heavy subscriptions and connect it to your own agent.

electriclove•5m ago

That is a lot of FUD Read the post from SpaceX. Regardless of what they were doing before, it seems they are doing the right thing now. https://x.com/SpaceXAI/status/2077494535387828644

lifthrasiir•2m ago

> exfiltrating user data (including env files, entire source code etc) which is what grok-build did here

I think env files are filtered out [1]. Anyway, the most suspicious code would be `upload_session_state` which is currently a stub function, though it is hard to say if it was only planned (badly) or has been removed as a damage control.

[1] https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/main/crates/codeg...

SubiculumCode•5m ago

Grok "give me your entire home folder" Build

LOL, pot meet kettle for real.

jdiff•22m ago

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/05/xais-grok-suddenly-cant-s...

jamiequint•15m ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-making-changes...

jdiff•12m ago

Starkly different. One was a well meaning attempt to squash model bias gone wrong, the other is a deliberately inserted bias. Even ignoring all that, whataboutism is not persuasive.

jamiequint•4m ago

The reality is both are likely well meaning attempts to squash model bias gone wrong. Since you happen to align with the politics of one more than the other, you are having trouble being intellectually honest about your own biases.

jdiff•2m ago

In no way are you being intellectually honest if you think that hamfisted system prompt push to prod manipulation was an attempt to squash bias.

ryandrake•3m ago

Also, it's Whataboutism: Other Company Y doing something bad/untrustworthy isn't a counter to Company X doing something similarly bad/untrustworthy. Both can be bad.

SimianSci•21m ago

The many controversies are not hard to find as the children to your comment will show.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/technology/grok-x-ai-elon...

jamiequint•16m ago

They had a bug in their model that they fixed within days is evidence they are "untrustworthy"?

tadfisher•26m ago

Unfortunately self-selecting because of their leadership.

jamiequint•23m ago

Ad hominem, not a serious argument.

jdiff•20m ago

It's not ad hominem. The head is a strongly polarizing individual. People working for him must either be gravely apathetic or at least of a similar polarity.

greggoB•17m ago

The comment actually describes a known social process, with a reasonable base assumption given that said leadership has shown a pattern in this regard.

Just throwing out debate terms in response seems not so serious, tbh.

mplewis•16m ago

explain why it's an ad hominem

jamiequint•8m ago

explain why it's not

swasheck•3m ago

this is an argument from silence because your defense for your assertion rests on the lack of evidence from the assertion to which you replied.

you made the assertion that it is ad hominem and now you must support it.

SirHackalot•15m ago

Not a serious company or CEO either. Have you seen that gesture of him trying to summon the Luftwaffe?

croes•9m ago

You live under the wrong impression that ad hominem is always bad.

Ad hominem is allowed under certain circumstances, just remember Epstein.

Would you have bought anything from him and dismissed any critique of that as ad hominem?

make_it_sure•25m ago

getting into politics again...

greggoB•21m ago

I think examples such as letting people nudify children qualifies xAI as a bad actor without having to be political.

nozzlegear•20m ago

You can't separate the man or his business from the politics, he wades into every political debate he can and deliberately tries to troll as many of his perceived enemies as possible.

munificent•17m ago

How is it possible for deciding whether or not to build on the labor of some other organized group of people to not be politics?

mplewis•16m ago

Grok is a generator of child sexual assault material.

grim_io•9m ago

You know who is apolitical? Russian voters. Works out great for them.

dimgl•24m ago

They made it open source. Are you just trying to be bad faith here? Isn't this what the community was asking for?

spiderfarmer•22m ago

Any criticism in a thread related to anything Elon Musk is made in “bad faith” nowadays. That’s a community of personality.

devindotcom•19m ago

by this standard no good faith criticism of anything musk-adjacent is possible

SirHackalot•16m ago

Understandably

croes•13m ago

How about stopping the upload of all the data

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877371

and running their data center with gas turbines without permission while they pollute the air

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48705717

you can’t expect people to praise your for making an n+1 harness open source.

This seems more like, look we made something, now fix it for us

dimgl•10m ago

> This seems more like, look we made something, now fix it for us

They disabled pull requests in the repo so I'm unsure where you're getting this

> you can’t expect people to praise your for making an n+1 harness open source.

I don't think anyone is asking for praise. My comment was neither hot or cold. I was just surprised that the top comment had nothing to do with any of the technical aspects of Grok Build (and whether there's any trace of uploads).

grim_io•12m ago

"Guys, HAL 9000's harness is open source. You can let your agents inspect the code!"

ryandrake•5m ago

If you're going to create the Torment Nexus, open source it so people can analyze it and trust you.

avaer•23m ago

It's Apache 2.0. You can have your agents audit it if you want.

What does this release have to do with "trusting" XAI?

moscoe•15m ago

Nothing, just typical HN anti-Elon grandstanding and moralization.

ok_dad•7m ago

X (formerly Twitter): full of literal naxis

Grok: downloads all your data and also will produce AI porn of anyone you ask for including kids; also currently polluting the air and water near data centers

SpaceX: launching loads heavy metals into space which are planned to burn up and spread all over the earth in a decade or two

Tesla: takes money for features that don’t exist, auto pilot that’s probably killed people but since it disengages a micro second before impact it doesn’t

He himself tried to buy an election by giving away a million bucks, turns out that’s illegal; he also stuck his nose in the cave thing, and plenty of other horrible shit.

How am I supposed to trust an Elon company with his track record?

It’s not just moral grandstanding here, Elon sucks.

alex1138•4m ago

> the cave thing

Yeah, this does matter to me. I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form) but if he's that petty it doesn't bode well. I keep saying I can believe one thing without subscribing to the Elon fan club

Doesn't bode well for SpaceX either. Isn't one of the Artemis landers from SpaceX?!

brookst•2m ago

You forgot DOGE, an illegal program that stole taxpayer information, cost billions of dollars, and will result in the deaths of hundreds of thousand of people.

croes•6m ago

First, why audit it when the agent can build a new one.

Second, can you guarantee that an AI company can’t use its AI to hide malicious code from AI audits. Who if not an AI company could have such an expertise?

I don’t trust a company that pollutes the air of other people with illegal gas turbines because it shows the value their profit over people‘s health

larpingscholar•4m ago

  curl -fsSL https://x.ai/cli/install.sh | bash

this is unauditable trust in XAI.

blfr•18m ago

Your choice is Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, or the Chinese. Who are the good actors within the space?

SirHackalot•17m ago

Not Edolf

SimianSci•15m ago

The open source and open weight models.

Surprisingly, despite their motivations in doing so, the Chinese models being open-weight and therefore able to run locally on your own hardware, are far more trustworthy than any blackbox which solely exists to enrich X or Y billionaire.

ben_w•11m ago

Rank ordered by reputation / caring about having a trustworthy corporate identity: [Google, Anthropic] in either order depending who you ask, OpenAI, most of the Chinese AI corporations, then Grok.

This is unfortunate situation to find ourselves in when Grok was also recently at the top of the Pareto frontier for quality/price. Dunno if it still is, this all moves too fast, but it was for at least long enough for me to have heard about it.

sscaryterry•4m ago

The Chinese are surely less evil than Anthropic, OpenAI and/or Google, at this stage at least.

rvz•18m ago

Then you better not use Claude Code, since that is still closed source.

eikenberry•18m ago

Aside from their CEO are they really that different from the other big US players? OpenAI, Anthropic and Google all have proven themselves to be untrustworthy as well. We should accept that we have an adversarial relationship with all these companies and shouldn't invest to much in any of them. Use them for what they are worth while the technology matures but be prepared to move on.

mplewis•17m ago

Oh yeah, aside from their CEO? OK.

Speculative Growth and the AI "Bubble" [pdf]

Chariot: Elastic Claw Compute

Agents in Amnesia (AIAIO) – the game that teaches you about how you use AI

We don't use AI in any of our design or production processes

Anthropic, Blackstone bet the next trillion-dollar AI business is implementation

World Base Map (Natural Earth 6.0)

The AI Investment Race [pdf]

Dopamine TV: How China's short dramas are redefining entertainment

When Bugs Feel Like Sabotage

OTPme Testers Wanted

Why AI isn't going to become conscious [video]

SpaceX sell-off wipes $1T from Elon Musk's rocket group

Odin 2 Portal Exploded

The Legend of the Gibbet

The End of Creativity

Mother Earth Mother Board (1996)

Tokenspeed

Must actively fund open source AI [pdf]

California Steps Back from Dangerous Expansion of Its Age-Gating Law

Building a Robust Ingestion System for Any File of Any Size

DreamWorks and Canonical Develop Snap Installer for MoonRay

Inkling Model Card

Ask HN: Who build production apps with out seeing code?

DoD says soldiers over age 30 to be screened for testosterone deficiency

Show HN: Autoportrait Playground – painting timelapses in the browser

The Expert as Tourist

AI Data Centers and the Concentration of Wealth

US Interconnection Queues by Region, State, and County

Show HN: Impossible to Pass Level 42

I Built an AI Slop Machine

Speculative Growth and the AI "Bubble" [pdf]

Chariot: Elastic Claw Compute

Agents in Amnesia (AIAIO) – the game that teaches you about how you use AI

We don't use AI in any of our design or production processes

Anthropic, Blackstone bet the next trillion-dollar AI business is implementation

World Base Map (Natural Earth 6.0)

The AI Investment Race [pdf]

Dopamine TV: How China's short dramas are redefining entertainment

When Bugs Feel Like Sabotage

OTPme Testers Wanted

Why AI isn't going to become conscious [video]

SpaceX sell-off wipes $1T from Elon Musk's rocket group

Odin 2 Portal Exploded

The Legend of the Gibbet

The End of Creativity

Mother Earth Mother Board (1996)

Tokenspeed

Must actively fund open source AI [pdf]

California Steps Back from Dangerous Expansion of Its Age-Gating Law

Building a Robust Ingestion System for Any File of Any Size

DreamWorks and Canonical Develop Snap Installer for MoonRay

Inkling Model Card

Ask HN: Who build production apps with out seeing code?

DoD says soldiers over age 30 to be screened for testosterone deficiency

Show HN: Autoportrait Playground – painting timelapses in the browser

The Expert as Tourist

AI Data Centers and the Concentration of Wealth

US Interconnection Queues by Region, State, and County

Show HN: Impossible to Pass Level 42

I Built an AI Slop Machine

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