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2•herbertl•29m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Kimi K3 is now live

https://www.kimi.com/en
259•vincent_s•1h ago

Comments

Tiberium•1h ago
More details:

- https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart

- https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3

1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified.

This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5 which is currently on discount), and very close to 5.6 Terra pricing (Terra's input is $2.5).

One thing to consider, though: reasoning efficiency matters directly for how expensive a model actually is in real use. GPT's models are extremely reasoning efficient, and some Claude models like Fable at lower effort are as well. So if Sol spends 10K reasoning tokens to do something (at $30/1M) vs Kimi K3 that spends 50K reasoning tokens, Sol would win on cost effectiveness.

Deukhoofd•1h ago
I feel like the quickstart is missing something. It's referring to its tech blog for actual benchmarks, but K3 isn't mentioned on there, the last thing on that blog was K2.6, 2 releases ago.
dghlsakjg•58m ago
Tokenizers also matter. Anthropics tokenizers will encode the same piece of text at a way higher token count than OpenAi, for example.

That said, Kimi is competing against GLM in my mind, and GLM 5.2 is less than 1/3 the price.

asenna•53m ago
With that kind of pricing, I don't think they're competing with GLM with this new launch.
leecommamichael•46m ago
Tokenizers define the alphabet on which the language model is trained. I don't want people to get the impression it's a module which can be swapped out or modified on its own. Alphabet size is a design consideration related to correctly encoding the training data.
smallerize•11m ago
That's true, but it makes it difficult to compare pricing when it's based on tokens. Maybe we need a benchmark for price per a specific input, like enwiki8.
martinald•52m ago
Will be interesting to see how it stacks up pricing wise on the various inference providers.
cyanydeez•50m ago
I eat 1M context in a local model in about 3-4 hours.

It'd need to be exceptionally smart and error free to ever make sense.

mmaunder•40m ago
Agreed re reasoning. I’ve seen this play out with 5x reasoning negating cost savings.
schmorptron•34m ago
Are thinking models only the reasonable tradeoff vs using much larger non thinking ones because the cost of output tokens is below that of input tokens?
csomar•33m ago
It seems the subsidized era is nearing its end and we'll see a convergence on API pricing before a pulling of subscriptions pricing.
easygenes•14m ago
That’s not what this indicates. This is the biggest and most expensive to serve, and most capable open weights model yet. They’re just pricing it in line with capabilities.

Kimi also offers generous subscriptions. Subs aren’t going anywhere. Think of subs like running an insurance business. There might be some users you lose money on (ones who max out their weekly quota without fail), but they’re managed such that the average subscription turns a healthy profit. There’s never been subsidies in model serving, inference is just cheaper in terms of ops TCO than people assume, and API margins are very high.

nullbio•4m ago
Ah, the old "subsidized" meme always rearing its head. Yawn.
0xbadcafebee•18m ago
The big danger here is the gradual increase in open-weight subscription costs. I use open weight subscriptions, with lower-cost models for 80% of my tasks and GLM-5.2, Qwen 3.7-Max, Kimi-K2.6/2.7-Code for the 20% that need the most intelligence. That lets me maximize the rate-limit the subscription gives (rate limits per model are literally a price-limit-per-token/model). When new/more expensive open weights come in, providers phase out older/cheaper models. Over time we will either have to pay more, or use our subscriptions less.

It goes without saying, but if the open weights become as expensive as SOTA models, there's no point in using open weights. If nobody pays for open weights' development, the development dies out, and we're stuck with a US-controlled duopoly again. Which may be the biggest threat the world has seen from the US since nukes.

h14h•8m ago
> reasoning efficiency matters directly for how expensive a model actually is in real use

I have high hopes on this topic, given token efficiency seemed to be the primary (only?) goal of the K2.7 Code release.

Excited to see the signals that come out of the big eval/benchmark sites.

nullbio•3m ago
This is too expensive to be a viable model. If it were $5/1m output, it might be another story. At these prices, there's no reason to use this over GPT 5.6.
sroerick•3m ago
How do Kimi's subscriptions work? I find their price structure pretty confusing
esher•1h ago
Half kidding feature request for HN: Mark all AI related posts so I can filter them out, when I need a pause.
lfx•1h ago
Here you go https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered
tngranados•1h ago
Except it literally shows this post as the first result
lfx•18m ago
I saw it after posting. Ha. That is not very smart filter, but works most of the time!
mrtksn•1h ago
This post is at the top when filtered against AI :) Maybe it should use llm based filters to understand if the post is about AI and filter it out?
cyanydeez•48m ago
Us the AI to build the bubble against the AI, because everyone knows AI is the AI of the AI.
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tw1984•1h ago
> Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol.

> The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report.

https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart

nkmnz•55m ago
> > ...ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol.

So... it ranks THIRD?

polski-g•50m ago
USSR is proud to announce that they won 2nd place in an Olympic contest. The filthy USA regime? Next to last!

(There were only two countries competing in said event)

amelius•41m ago
Apple proudly announced they won 2nd place in a competition among smartphone OSes.
yreg•27m ago
Apple would never claim to be second.
ayushpai•3m ago
1st in open weight
blovescoffee•1h ago
Excited for the deepseek release this week (or at least they announced they'd release this week). Hopefully they also push even closer to SOTA.
kamranjon•56m ago
Where did you hear about the deepseek release? Would love to follow the same source.
blovescoffee•10m ago
They emailed current paying users of the api (or at least that’s how I got updated).
bayesianbot•55m ago
That is exciting!

I don't understand how DeepSeek can be so cheap with their cache pricing - ~0.003 usd / 1Mtok. 100x less than Kimi K3, or similar numbers against pretty much any other decently sized model to my knowledge. I've been using it whenever possible as even longer agent sessions cost few cents.

hack1312•42m ago
What provider are you using?
bayesianbot•40m ago
DeepSeek's own API
greyb•
khalic•1h ago
I really need to finish my automated model evaluation harness, I can't keep up with this pace
GodelNumbering•59m ago
I've playing around in between with Arc-AGI-3 lately. Based on my very quick test prompt, I do not think it will achieve any meaningful score in Arc AGI 3. Not that it was expected to.
msdz•58m ago
> We also further increased the sparsity of the Mixture of Experts (MoE): with the Stable LatentMoE framework, the model efficiently activates 16 out of 896 experts. Together with improvements in training methodology and data recipes, these structural advances give K3 roughly 2.5x the overall scaling efficiency of K2, converting compute into capability more effectively.

Assuming experts are uniformly distributed (I’m really not that familiar with the deep details there), that’s 2800/896*16 = 50 billion active parameters just for the active/expert part. Wild stuff, and I’m glad there’s at least some companies still publishing (and pushing, for open-weight models) total parameter count.

And: It sounds very believable that this would result in efficiency gains wrt. to compute necessary for “good”-quality inference. Does anyone know whether there currently even are any SOTA or near-SOTA models that are dense still?

Aeolun•53m ago
2.5x the scaling efficiency, so 4 times the price? What is happening here? Did the subsidies dry up with the discrepancy between chinese and US models?
petu•45m ago
It's also 2.8x parameter count (1T -> 2.8T), likely higher activation per token (50B?).
pixl97•30m ago
Scaling efficiency simply means if you took the first small model and scaled it up to the big model it would take 2.5x the resources to run. Not the that larger model is going to be any cheaper.

Kind of like scaling your personal automobile to the weight of a semi, the semi is still going to be far more efficient in moving cargo, not that the semi will cost the same to operate as the original car.

buildbot•55m ago
Amazing to see an open source model already nearing the benchmarks of Fable and GPT 5.6 Sol!

Also very cool to see LatentMoE being picked up by more models (https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.18089)

NoImmatureAdHom•30m ago
Surely it's only open weights?
stefan_•2m ago
It's not even that right now.
kroaton•2m ago
It also goes to show that Fable/Sol must be 4-5T in size.
wxw•53m ago
Open source Fable/Sol challenger! Interesting to do a release product-first.

https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart

ekojs•51m ago
> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report.

> K3 pushes the boundary of end-to-end knowledge work. On the GDPval-AA v2 leaderboard, Kimi K3 scores 1687. The benchmark evaluates AI models on real-world tasks across 44 occupations and 9 major industries; Kimi K3 ranks behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and GPT-5.6 Sol Max, and ahead of Claude Opus 4.8 Max at 1600.

> On AA-Briefcase, Kimi K3 scores 1527, ranking second among all models — behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and ahead of GPT-5.6 Sol Max (1495). AA-Briefcase is a private agentic knowledge-work benchmark developed by Artificial Analysis to evaluate frontier agentic capability in long-horizon knowledge work.

Really good benchmark score it seems. Maybe another DeepSeek moment right here.

paxys•45m ago
> its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol

Pretty sure ranking “second” to two others means ranking third.

ekojs•39m ago
Yeah, bad wording it seems. Though a charitable interpretation is that Fable 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol are joint 1st place in the measurement.
paxys•36m ago
Doesn’t matter, the next one is still third.
jnwatson•
smalltorch•50m ago
Account creation with only a phone number or google account is lame.
kleiba2•39m ago
Especially if you don't have a phone and don't want to use your google account for anything but gmail, for privacy reasons. Both of these point apply to me, for instance.
lvl155•46m ago
Say what you want about these Chinese models but they sure create competition and urgency in the space.
_superposition_•30m ago
Agreed, this will save us all money in the long run.
antiloper•43m ago
Seems to only use ≈60% as many reasoning tokens as 2.6. So the price hike is not as bad as it looks.
schmorptron•40m ago
That's a more than 2x jump in parameter count. I know it's not a measure of quality by itself, but it will be interesting how it "scales". Bust it looks like they're gonna be competing with the big boys now, pricing also approaches Gpt 5.6 Terra
pr337h4m•39m ago
It does seem to have retained the K2 series's creative writing abilities, at least with the prompts I've tested so far.
satvikpendem•38m ago
Now, will they actually release the weights? Seems like Chinese model providers are slowly closing up, like Alibaba's Qwen 3.6 which did release weights (but not the biggest parameter count ones) and none for 3.7.
j2j8•14m ago
In the coming days
xyzsparetimexyz•37m ago
Any updated Pareto frontier graphs? https://paraplouis.github.io/llm-pareto-frontier/ is quite out of date now.
tao_oat•16m ago
I generally rely on LMArena for this: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code/webdev/pareto

But it does take some days after model release before they collect enough data.

Bromeo•14m ago
openrouter->rankings shows a pareto frontier. https://openrouter.ai/rankings#benchmarks
tskj•33m ago
I'm curious if they're keeping up mostly due to distillation or how that works. Does anyone outside China know?
XCSme•33m ago
No blog post? Benchmarks?
dmix•30m ago
This might have been published before they released their tech blog, I don't see one
naaqq•17m ago
Will be later.
npn•31m ago
Not worth it. I have just tried a single prompt in the web interface and it is still not finish reasoning. It thinks too much and often repeats the same stuff over and over.

Combine with the price it will surely more costly than gpt 5.6.

m3h•31m ago
> Kimi K3 is Kimi’s most capable model to date, with 2.8 trillion parameters.

This puts them on the top of the largest open models list:

  Kimi K3            2.8T
  DeepSeek-V4-Pro    1.6T (49B active)
  Kimi K2.6          ~1T (32B active)
  GLM-5.2            754B (40B active)
  DeepSeek-V3.2      685B
  Mistral Large 3    675B
That's one mighty large model! Moonshot is going to need the USD 500 million reportedly raised earlier this year to run this model.
wolttam•26m ago
I guess it remains to be seen whether this will be open-weights. We don't even know how many active params at this point.
sudosysgen•24m ago
The article says weights will be released in the coming days, and hints it's likely around 50-70B active params.
wolttam•19m ago
It did say that, but it doesn't any longer.
simonw•7m ago
What's the URL of the article that used to say that?
wolttam•2m ago
https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart this one, it used to have more information about the model itself, similar to the K2.6 and K2.7 pages.
ncruces•25m ago
I get a quota of GitHub Copilot for free.

From all the models available to me I'm most happy with Kimi K2.7 (given the cost/performance).

wolttam•20m ago
I'm a bit nervous this one isn't going to be open-weights. Any mention of "open" has been struck from the literature for this model (it was present an hour ago). We don't even know active params?

At this pricing, I'll be surprised if it's open.

simonw•17m ago
Pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... - rendered via the OpenRouter API: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3

95 input, 16,658 output = 25 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=95&ot=16658&ic=3&oc=15 (13,241 of those were reasoning tokens.)

I think that's the most expensive pelican I've rendered through a Chinese model so far.

eleventen•14m ago
Oof, front fork is wrecked. Pelican should be wearing a helmet on that death trap.
simonw•13m ago
I like that it has a snazzy red scarf.
ryanseys•3m ago
I appreciate the tiny flowers in the grass.
bitexploder•12m ago
It is a nice pelican, though. At least it has that going for it.
smallerize
XCSme•16m ago
Only supporting "max" reasoning is weird, their parameters are quite inflexible atm:

    Important limits:

    reasoning_effort currently supports only max; K3 always has thinking mode enabled.

    max_completion_tokens defaults to 131072 and can be set up to 1048576.

    temperature=1.0, top_p=0.95, n=1, presence_penalty=0, and frequency_penalty=0 are fixed; omit them from requests.

    Return the complete assistant message unchanged in multi-turn conversations and tool calls.

    Vision input does not support public image URLs. Use base64 or ms://<file-id>, and make content an array of objects.

    Web search is being updated and is not recommended for production workflows in the near term.
anthonypasq•13m ago
Does anyone have any heuristics on how scaling parameter count actually scales cost to serve? Also im assuming we dont really know the sparsity here?

Is them pricing at Sonnet level actually give us any information at all at how big Sonnet is or is there too much opacity around inference margins?

nullbio•5m ago
This is far too expensive. Why would I use this over a frontier model at these prices.
cute_boi•3m ago
Thank you Kimi. We no longer need to rely that much on Dario and his supreme lackeys to decide what is safe or not for simple tasks.
52m ago
I'll see your simonw tool and raise you one that actually works: https://hcker.news/?view=frontpage&ai=exclude

I's not just matching against titles. Ironically, I have an agent running daily scans, reading the contents of the top 200 stories of the day. It auto screens high-confidence ones and I make judgement calls on like 10-20 of them per day.

epihelix•41m ago
Right now, that site doesn't show this post, regardless of whether the filter is active or not ...

So, it's impossible to know whether your filter is working on this story yet, either.

ComputerGuru•36m ago
Lol, this post is number one on the leaderboard on the “filtered” list list. Trusting ai slop to filter out ai is as ironic as it gets.
boguscoder•1h ago
Why only a half measure
nazgulsenpai•1h ago
Same but 100% serious
jmward01•1h ago
I see a future HN post about how someone vibe coded HN to filter the AI stories. HNAI (Heck No AI)
hahahaa•1h ago
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=last24h&page=0&prefix=fals...

or

https://lobste.rs will probably have less AI

yreg•29m ago
How does one get a lobsters invite?
lfx•8m ago
You need a friend there. I'm trying to get in for years, however RO mode is still worth it.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs•7m ago
You don't need an invite to read.
virtue3•44m ago
definitely take the breaks when you need them. I've already had a few friends just get lost in the AI train of stuff and suffer mentally a bit.
_superposition_•32m ago
I think we have a need to revise the old let me Google that for you thing

Click the link to view conversation with Kimi AI Assistant https://www.kimi.com/share/19f6b96d-fdd2-8589-8000-0000daada...

sudosysgen•46m ago
The literal interpretation of that sentence is "when it is second or third, it is only behind Fable 5 or 5.6 Sol". And indeed they give benchmarks where it is ahead of one but not both models.
markasoftware•13m ago
They've removed the paragraph about releasing model weights.
xur17•8m ago
Does that mean this one won't be open source?
32m ago
Any way to avoid China sales tax or is that just the cost of doing business?
NortySpock•27m ago
https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro#providers

Look through the provider list for a company you are willing to do business with?

sudosysgen•34m ago
If you read DeepSeek's papers, you'll find a litany of architectural features that allow for a greatly reduced cache hit price by shrinking the size of the KV-cache.
yfontana•9m ago
How come no other big model seems to be able to deliver the same type of extremely low cache cost though, if their techniques are public?
7734128•35m ago
No, you can't divide the entire size by the expert count. A lot of weights are constant for all tokens, so total active count is ((2800-(shared)/896)*16 + (shared))
msdz•15m ago
TIL, that makes a lot of sense, and thanks for the correction.
35m ago
If there are two folks standing at gold, nobody gets the silver medal.
worldthruword•9m ago
But linearizing an equal magnitude quantities by alphabet priority would be unfair. Magnitude is the important quantity here.
scotty79•38m ago
Which is still great because it means neither of the two best financed labs in the world manage to produce even two models themselves that would beat Kimi K3.
laybak•12m ago
good to call out this sleight of hand in their wording
akoumjian•40m ago
Where are you seeing this write up?
ekojs•35m ago
I copied that from https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart but it seems they updated the page to remove the benchmark score now.
Aurornis•34m ago
> > K3 pushes the boundary of end-to-end knowledge work. On the GDPval-AA v2 leaderboard, Kimi K3 scores 1687. The benchmark evaluates AI models on real-world tasks across 44 occupations and 9 major industries; Kimi K3 ranks behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and GPT-5.6 Sol Max, and ahead of Claude Opus 4.8 Max at 1600.

This is the same benchmark where Sonnet 5 outperforms Opus 4.8 max.

Like all model releases, the benchmarks aren't going to tell the whole story. All of the open weight models come with amazing benchmark results now. It's hard to believe anything other than that the benchmarks are leaking into (or intentionally included) into training data.

rd•23m ago
i’ll never really understand this comment. why would labs do this if they know private benchmark evals will come out in the next week?
kroaton•4m ago
Ling/Ring 1T-A50B and the new Inkling 975B-A41B deserve to be on that list.
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8m ago
How did "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" turn into 95 tokens?
simonw•5m ago
That's a great question.

I just tried "hi" through the same OpenRouter API and the input token count for that was 86 - and for "hi there" the count was 87.

I think there's an 85 token hidden system prompt of some sort.