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NYC Subway Signals: A Complete Guide (2012)

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Subway_Signals%3A_A_Complete_Guide
44•at1as•13h ago

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Varelion•12h ago
A very interesting thing to read on a long NYC metro ride.
fraserharris•12h ago
This article is somewhat out-of-date. The L & 7 trains were modernized to communications-based train control (CBTC) & automatic train operation (ATO) since 2006 & 2018 respectively. This allows for moving-block signaling, where a trains are separated by a distance, instead of fixed blocks of track. The legacy fixed-block signaling system is still retained as a fallback.
at1as•11h ago
Thanks for the extra context!

I didn't see a published date, but taking another look, I suppose that "Copyright © 1995-2012 nycsubway.org." is a giveaway that some of this information might be stale.

Doesn't feel much like it day-to-day in the NYC subway, but glad things are indeed continuing to change

georgemcbay•11h ago
Can confirm.

While the CBTC already existed, I worked on the ultra-wideband positioning system originally demoed on the 7 line (and spent a lot of sleepless nights riding empty 7 line trains, testing out the system).

I wrote the original version of the system that would initiate the time-of-flight signals to the trackside UWB beacons and use multilateration to determine the train position (of both extreme ends of the full train) based on knowing the ECEF coordinates of those beacons, all written in C (with MISRA C restrictions) on what were basically Raspberry Pi compute modules.

Also wrote the app you can see a screenshot of at the top of this post:

https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/railroad-signals-ptc-con...

That app was C++/QML/Qt-based, using OpenStreetMaps to visualize the position. Originally written just as a visualization tool to consume data that was part of a test/mockup system I made while writing the code (mostly in San Diego, so very far from the NYC tracks we did final testing on), but the visualization of how it found the train position based on time-of-flight distance calculations from the UWB beacons looked pretty cool so they ended up putting it up (receiving data from the real, live system) on monitors while doing the media demos back in early 2020.

dan_sbl•11h ago
Very similar detailed site for the Chicago L. Here's the signals page, but a ton more to explore as well: https://www.chicago-l.org/operations/signals/signals.html
SoftTalker•7h ago
When the CTA inherited the elevated system in 1947, much of the system still operated "on sight", which depended on the motorman's comprehension of and compliance with safe following distances and the rules governing them.

I think I recall reading that this "on sight" operation continued for quite a while at least on some of the elevated track including the downtown loop where most of the lines converge. I would assume a few bad accidents prompted the upgrades to automated signaling and stop trips.

lanyard-textile•11h ago
That logo though :) Tickled that the "Y" and only the "Y" reference NYC.
zelias•10h ago
Lots of words for "chain in, rail out" as they say on Nauvis

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