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https://blog.melashri.net/micro/back-to-kagi/
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nemomarx•31m ago
How'd you solve the Arabic issue?

(the previous blog post mentioned Arabic language news sources as a major pain point, so I'm wondering if anything changed.)

Leptonmaniac•18m ago
In my mind, this is the start of a heated comment chain about geopolitics, but ultimately I don't think that chain Israel
hyperionultra•30m ago
Does search engines still relevant enough in LLM age? My grandma and grandpa already using cgpt voice for anything related web search. And if this demography shifting, imagine youth…
imzadi•27m ago
LLM's are just summarizing search results and not always well. This is like asking if academic papers are relevant when college essays exists, imo. I would much rather read the original source of the material than the summarized (potentially badly) LLM result.
fassssst•21m ago
Well you could ask it to only reply with snippets from its sources.
threetonesun•13m ago
So a slower search engine with fewer results?
hilariously•5m ago
Delivery food is not faster or better in a lot of places.
JohnFen•24m ago
With Kagi, anyway, search engines are very relevant to me. For my use cases, LLMs provide far inferior results in exchange for requiring more time and effort from me.
liotier•23m ago
They are relevant to me, because I often look for documents rather than answers.

I think the market segmentation is:

- Seeking documents: search engine

- Seeking answers: LLM

circularfoyers•22m ago
Kagi do have an LLM offering if that's what you still want. While still benefiting for your own search results curation and being more privacy orientated. I'm very happy that I can basically have the best of both worlds from them.
athenot•30m ago
Happy Kagi subscriber here! I just wished Apple let them integrate into Safari without the need for silly hacks.
poetril•28m ago
I feel like half of what I do on HN is talk about Kagi. I switch to Kagi in 2023, and haven't looked back. Between vim keybinds for navigating search, explicit AI opt-in, the ability to curate search (block sites, increase others), and more. It really lets me feel like I can control my search tool, and at least so far its felt like our interests are aligned, I give them money and they make sure search is as good as possible for me.
giancarlostoro•22m ago
I dont use it anywhere near as much because it felt like I was hitting their limits too quickly, not sure if that has changed.
LoganDark•21m ago
I tried Kagi a year or two ago but it just didn't have most results. Google always had what I was looking for.

I might try it again sometime.

Shadowmist•20m ago
Do they let you chose to not send your search queries to say Yandex or Google?
rpdillon•17m ago
They're still ultimately scraping other engines pages to get the results though. The last time this was discussed an engineer on their team told me that they were building their own index internally, but I couldn't get any additional information about that and it doesn't appear to be in their docs.
HelloUsername•27m ago
html.duckduckgo.com or lite.duckduckgo.com shows you pure search results without any ads or javascript
starvar2•25m ago
Does Kagi work well in other countries for finding products?
Schnouki•21m ago
Using it in France: yes, it does.
optionalsquid•20m ago
It probably depends on your country, and what you are looking for exactly, but it works fine for my needs
brodo•11m ago
It works well in Germany. For products too, at least what I tried. The last time I did a very German product search (association-management software) the first hit was a comparison on golem.de, which is pretty solid.
imzadi•25m ago
I've switched to Kagi full time. I even use Orion on ios and wish there was an Android version. Kagi translate is superior to Google translate, also. I love that it gives me a more direct translation and then suggests alternatives and tells me what situations they would work best in.
theusus•24m ago
Kagi for me is same as Google. But Brave is a bit different plus it uses its own indexes
Varelion•23m ago
I really wish I was in a position I could afford to subscribe to Kagi.
Gualdrapo•18m ago
Me too, but to be honest startpage is just fine for me. Here we haven't had yet the degradation of results they have in the us somehow - google (and startpage, by extension) is stil great for showing local stuff. Haven't been able to replicate that kind of accuracy with the likes of ddg or brave search.

The only downside is that it can have bangs like ddg, which are a ridiculously great feature.

levkk•21m ago
Kagi is amazing. Worth the subscription, 10 times over. I don't have to worry about sponsored search results, or slop from the "AI overview". High quality results, like Google used to be.

For a price of two cups of coffee.

o_m•21m ago
I've subscribed to Kagi for three of years now. Kagi is still great, but it doesn't feel like "Google ten years ago" anymore. I don't think it is because Kagi got worse, rather it is the web that has become worse. The content nowadays kinda sucks.
optionalsquid•16m ago
Yeah, it's become quite noticeable. The amount of clearly LLM generated sites that I've blocked just keeps going up and up. The only advantage Kagi has in that regard is that blocks are account wide, regardless of what device you use
amazingamazing•19m ago
I have found that AI search gets me what I want faster than any traditional search engine.
brodo•13m ago
It’s enough to add a `?` to any Kagi query to get an AI answer. I like that I can choose for which queries I use AI and for which traditional web search.
everfrustrated•14m ago
I feel sorry for Kagi. I've paid for the last couple of years as I support a better web search.

But I've found my web searching is so small now with AI.

I checked and I did less than 300 Kagi searches last month so downgraded my plan.

I wish them the best but timing is a b**.

johen8•11m ago
What made me leave Kagi was the abysmal offer of widgets, plus the repeated assertion that they were working on them and at least until recently, no progress has been made. Brave search has maybe worse results and I miss the bangs to change result location, but at least during the world cup, for example, I used its widgets frequently, plus the financial, weather widgets... I wish they would actually go through with their promises with those
Cider9986•10m ago
Brave is as good results as Kagi for me and more anonymity-focused, because your searches aren't tied to an account, but I like that Kagi has a simple business model. I would pay for either if I could pay 3 dollars or less per month with Monero.
joshstrange•9m ago
I've been paying for Kagi for almost 3 years now but with the advent of LLMs (really in the past 3-6 month) my usage has fallen off a cliff. I really wish they included some level of API/MCP access so I'd like to continue to support what they are trying to do but every month when I get charged I think "Is this still worth paying for?".

I could just pay for their API directly instead of my subscription but I wish they'd meet (some of) their customers where they are.

dschroer•5m ago
I have been using their API/MCP tooling. If I remember correctly its still experimental but it does work. I have it hooked up to my OpenWebUI instance.

https://github.com/kagisearch/kagimcp https://kagi.com/api/docs/openapi https://kagi.com/api/docs/openapi/section/mcp

cavoirom•4m ago
On Kagi, you can create custom assistant with customized prompt, LLM agent and lens. It's powerful to retrieve knowledge on a specific domain.

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