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Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/22/startup-founders-urge-trump-not-to-shut-off-chinese-open-weight-ai-01008992
94•theanonymousone•34m ago
https://littletech.org/

https://static.politico.com/4a/bf/9c4021d8404386b0a311dcccf0...

Comments

kennywinker•25m ago
Under what authority could he block access?
Catloafdev•23m ago
The same authority he used to enact tariffs and a war.
runtime_terror•10m ago
So, illegally, got it
gwerbin•5m ago
It has the tacit consent of Congress, so it's mostly only illegal in the way it's carried out. Congress could make most of it legal right now, but they don't want to put their names on it. Some of it would probably be unconstitutional for Congress to authorize (ironically via the nondelegation clause which is now being repurposed to justify a thoroughly unconstituational unitary executive arrangement), but much of it would not be, so it's de jure illegal but de facto legal.
khurs•9m ago
and take over Venezuela.
holoduke•21m ago
It's the rule based order america is the boss in. Essentially a mafia ruled country where rules are different for opponents.
khurs•8m ago
"It's a big club and you aren't in it"
allthetime•18m ago
Extra Judicial punishment and unwanted attention from powerful organizations is absolutely on the table for any larger startup/company who finds themselves in his radar
dashundchen•15m ago
Because the spineless cowards in Congress are somehow afraid of an 80 year old demented man nearing a 30% approval rating.

Their inability to find a backbone helps contort themselves to whatever Trump babbles that day, even if privately they know something is idiotic or illegal.

If you want a prime example, look at how Thom Tillis suddenly finds the ability to speak out once he lost his primary.

danesparza•15m ago
I love your pure optimism in American government. I wish all Americans were asking thoughtful questions like this. No notes.
krapp•9m ago
> I wish all Americans were asking thoughtful questions like this. No notes.

Why? We already know Trump often acts without legal authority, and just as often without consequence. Those thoughtful questions have been asked and answered many times, why do we need to ask them again?

8note•11m ago
probably ICE?

you cant do much in response if your whole company is sent to Cecot on a "mistake" with the federal government ignoring court orders

misiti3780•25m ago
he cant shut them off anyways, anyone can just VPN to europe and download them
andai•14m ago
The ducks at the park are free, you can just take one home with you.
minimaltom•5m ago
I luv this sentence but have no idea what it means lol.

Do you have many ducks at home?

feverzsj•25m ago
The only thing Trump can do is building the US version of GFW, which he knows better than anyone else.
acmnrs•24m ago
> Almost 200 Silicon Valley companies, including Proton and Y Combinator…

The Proton Foundation<https://proton.me> is a Swiss non-profit based in Geneva. I'm not sure which other “Proton” the article could be referring to.

tencentshill•22m ago
We must all hoard all available models before they get taken down. Is anyone archiving huggingface?
throwa356262•11m ago
Post this to

https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder

giancarlostoro•20m ago
I think this would be foolish, a more sound strategy is to focus on critical infrastructure and defense not using models that are "open" but they're really just binary blobs. We have models here in the states like OLMo that could receive more investing to attempt to bring them up to par with some of the frontier open-weight models, removing a lot of these concerns.
chrisnight•20m ago
> the US can “sanction” companies that engage in intellectual property theft.

Peak hypocrisy, US AI companies can train on unlimited intellectual property with 0 rights to it, while Chinese AI companies have to explicitly get the rights to data that isn’t even copyrightable/copyrighted (since AI alone can’t copyright it).

hnfong•17m ago
It's not IP theft if US courts say it isn't.

And if the accused company is outside of the US, well, US courts have no jurisdiction so apparently the US government can just claim they are guilty and impose the sanctions...

Frieren•5m ago
The USA has stolen intellectual property from ALL AROUND THE WORLD. AI is not trained just in copyrighted USA content.

Other countries have a say about it.

bayindirh•4m ago
> It's not IP theft if US courts say it isn't.

So why Anthropic is paying $1.5B, then?

Didn’t one US politician told that “AI industry will die if I take permission for everything we do”?

Courts are just helping to keep the industry alive at this point.

MangoCoffee•15m ago
US's court can enforce IPs. Didn't Antrhpic just agree to pay book authors billion for the recent lawsuit settlement?
zuzululu
tancop•18m ago
American century of humiliation coming up.
yoyohello13•16m ago
Are we not there yet?
kbrisso•10m ago
I think we are pulling in the driveway.
ch4s3•6m ago
US real median household income has been steadily rising[1] for the last 40+ years. Life expectancy is rising again after dipping and plateauing for a few years. Employment numbers are pretty good given the macro headwinds. The US forms ~5.9 million new businesses per year which vastly out paces the EU.

The US isn't without problems, but we're doing OK.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

scotty79•8m ago
I think we are already quarter of century in. It started with reaction to 9/11 and only got worse since then. Damage was pretty much self-inflicted.
andai•15m ago
Don't model weights fall under free speech?
thewebguyd•6m ago
Yes, in theory, we've been through this rodeo before in the 90s. Bernstein vs. US ruled that source code is expressive speech. It's being challenged though, the court could consider weights as machine data (non-expressive operational artifacts, not human communication).

the US could also pull the functional harm argument in the same way the government uses it to regulate some protected speech (like the whole debacle over DeCSS)

Even if the free speech argument prevails, the US GOV can still use sanctions to prevent the public clouds from hosting any foreign open weight models, and prohibit US based sites from distributing the weights. It'll remain functionally legal for individuals (or at least, unenforceable) but in practice, you'll need to pirate the weights they won't be available from any US based site or provider and would be illegal for businesses to use, even if its a gray area, the liability will mean businesses won't touch them.

bilbo0s•15m ago
I tell everyone whenever I get a chance, download any open weights models you can as soon as possible.

Buy extra hardrives. Borrow them. Do whatever you have to do.

But to paraphrase Éomer, don't trust to hope, it has abandoned these lands.

3eb7988a1663•12m ago
If there were ever a sign I need to get mirroring, this is it.

What are the best Chinese models on HuggingFace today? Bucket by ideal RAM: <16GB, <32GB, <96, <256, 256+

Text generation, image generation, TTS, etc

throwa356262•9m ago
It is a lost opportunity that huggingface (or unsloth) frontpage doesn't have a list like this that updates which each model release.
commoner•7m ago
Alibaba Cloud runs ModelScope, which is like Hugging Face but based in China:

- https://modelscope.ai/

- Source code (ironically on GitHub): https://github.com/modelscope/modelscope

ninjahawk1•10m ago
The U.S. does NOT have copyright protections on the data that AI models were and are trained on, it was mass theft. Now all of a sudden, the Chinese are stealing from the thieves and we’re supposed to care?

No one cares, we just want cheaper AI models that are equally as powerful. They’re all thieves regardless.

GlickWick•6m ago
I do care.

It's an unfortunate truth that we're exiting a global peace era and entering one of (hopefully just...) implied conflict. Our biggest geopolitical rival that's been threatening a hot war also distilling the things we build is not a good thing.

Trump is a huge self-own by our electorate sadly, but being concerned about a conflict between China and the US is a very bi-partisan concern for good reason.

intheitmines•8m ago
How do you ban numbers?
gdiamos•4m ago
How do you ban melted sand?
gdiamos•7m ago
I think we should shut it off. It would force US companies to build open models.
thewebguyd•4m ago
US labs would have even less incentive to build open if we blocked foreign open weight models, and we'd be engaging in protectionism yet again, also giving them zero incentive to compete.
formerly_proven•7m ago
Illegal numbers 2: Electric Trumpaloo
aslkalska•6m ago
side note : I wish they had an actual link to the companies instead of just their names in https://littletech.org/membership
Gecko4072•5m ago
Man this guy is annoying.
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12m ago
That will never happen. Copyright is not a thing in China.
chmod775•10m ago
The lawsuit explicitly held that training on the books was fine.

They just should have bought them, rather than pirating them.

Also LLM output is not copyrightable (in itself) in the first place.

ctxc•8m ago
Anthropic was asked to pay book authors because it trained on pirated downloaded books.

What about books and art where the author/artist does not authorise AI to train on it? They do happily train on it, ignoring their "ToS".

This is just double standards, a slap on the wrist to not worsen the situation with authors imo.

You could also say the Chinese companies are doing the same - they _do_ pay for their Anthropic subscriptions after all.

Rebelgecko•6m ago
The settlement doesn't cover the actual training on copy written material
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