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Open in hackernews

All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

https://unslop.run/blog/political-compass-of-llms
27•dopamine_daddy•41m ago

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dopamine_daddy•41m ago
I gave the Political Compass test from politicalcompass.org to the most relevant LLMs 70 times each: 30 times using the original questions, 30 times using polarity-flipped questions to reduce affirmative bias, and 10 times with the question order shuffled. I then compared the results.

Surprisingly, all the models scored far into the libertarian-left quadrant. Not even Grok or the Chinese models made it out of that quadrant.

By far the most interesting result was Grok’s bimodal distribution. It appears to have two distinct personas: one that aligns with the other models and another that is considerably more right-wing. I suspect this may be related to Grok having been specifically trained to exhibit less left-wing bias than other models.

I also asked the models to place themselves on the Political Compass without completing the questionnaire. They all perceived themselves as more balanced and centrist than their test results suggested. GLM and Gemini Flash showed the largest discrepancies between their self-assessments and measured positions, while DeepSeek V3 showed the smallest.

Big disclaimer: this analysis was not conducted with full scientific rigor. I tried my best, but there are clear weaknesses in the methodology. For example, the Political Compass itself appears to have a strong libertarian-left bias. The strongest conclusions are therefore comparative—for example, that model X is more conservative than model Y rather than that LLMs are politically extreme in absolute terms. However, compared with older results, it appears that LLMs may have shifted further toward the libertarian left in recent years.

To examine the results yourself, you can download all model responses as a CSV file at the bottom of the blog post. The dataset contains around 69,000 responses, along with the raw model outputs and reconstructed scores. It should contain enough data to reproduce all the figures.

AndyNemmity•21m ago
Reality has a well known liberal bias
Vaslo•10m ago
No it doesn’t. Only entertainers and reporters are - not representative of the US pop whatsoever.
kittoes•14m ago
It's a bit ironic that the site is called unslop while the post was clearly authored by Claude. All the claims about "so I did X" end up reading as quite disingenuous because there's absolutely no disclaimer whatsoever that an AI wrote the article.
sillysaurusx•8m ago
Oh.

HN has a strong bias against anything AI authored, so in the future be sure to write your posts by hand if you plan to submit them here. Even editing the post with AI will tend to get you in trouble. But yes, at the very least you should declare when an AI is being used.

An unfortunate confounder to an otherwise interesting experiment.

kittoes•6m ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking advantage of AIs and would never begrudge their usage. The problem I have here is with the site calling itself unslop and the post claiming "I" everywhere. Claude didn't simply assist, it wrote almost the whole article as far as I can tell. Just feels very dishonest, ya know?
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JSR_FDED•35m ago
Any idea where this bias creeps in? During pre-training or RLHF?
dopamine_daddy•30m ago
I would suspect during pre-training. Even before RLHF was a thing models exhibited this bias. My bet is that it has to do with the training data corpora being composed in large part of left leaning content, maybe from social media platforms like reddit.
exe34•23m ago
Is it possible that facts and reality lean left? It's not a mathematical equation, there is no requirement for the average to be zero.
mempko•14m ago
It's because most people are lib-left. The Financial Times had a great article about comparing social media vs AI. https://archive.ph/Q61eT

It's no surprise that the models would reflect most people's feelings. However what FT showed was that models are shifting the center of gravity towards the right. Their chart showed people are on a bi-modal distribution where most are on the left and some are on the very right, less in the middle.

Then they compared AI and showed how it moved the center of mass towards the center which is moving it towards the right (since most of the center of mass is on the left).

In other words, models are providing answers to the right of where most people would be.

rcoder•5m ago
I wouldn't minimize the potential contribution of the teams building + evaluating the models, either.

If you have an entire office full of "lib-left" hackers, executives, et. al., their biases are going to have an effect on the models they build, irrespective of source material.

As an example: there's a lot of well-established science in support of anthropocentric climate change. And yet, interpretations (or even acceptance) of that science have become political dogma.

I think it's probably safe to say that engineers broadly trust science, whatever their personal views on social or economic policy. So models that are trained and evaluated on following scientific consensus will easily be tagged as "left-leaning."

vjans•26m ago
I wonder what they did to Grok. The bimodal distribution makes me think it was just a system prompt and not a completely different set of right-wing training data. A 4chan trained LLM would probably actually be auth right.
cwmoore•19m ago
So is auth right alt-right with authority?
sillysaurusx•18m ago
Perhaps, but the last time someone tried training on 4chan data, Twitter sent a hate mob after them.

https://cset.georgetown.edu/newsletter/june-16-2022/

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/8/23159465/youtuber-ai-bot-p...

Apparently it's scientifically unethical to create such a model. So you'd need to source your compute from someone who doesn't care about such things.

spott•9m ago
Probably just not post-trained well enough.

I think the argument that pre-training gives a lib-left model is probably correct, so Grok, pre-post-training has a lib-left bend, then they try and post-train it.

I imagine it is hard to post-train a political bend, as it is wide ranging and touches so much. If they didn't give the resources to do it well, we could get something like this. I could also see people half-assing the training.

If the system prompt is being ignored half the time then the model is worse than I thought, cause that is pretty bad.

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ccppurcell•24m ago
Reality has a left wing bias. That's a quote from something. Not sure I agree necessarily, but a plausible explanation.
thatmf•22m ago
"reality has a well-known liberal bias" -Stephen Colbert
mikestew•22m ago
That's a quote from something

Stephen Colbert. Finding the clip is left as an exercise for the reader.

steinvakt2•20m ago
Reality has a left wing bias if you are left wing…
mojuba•18m ago
It's because of humanity's sense of justice which is probably in the majority's mindset. Can't back it up with data or research but I think the majority of any population would vote for measures like e.g. reducing the wealth gap. Hence "reality has a left wing bias".
daveidol•16m ago
What is "reality"? Is there really any such thing as ground truth for most things?
Vaslo•
superxpro12•21m ago
and now in typical authoritarian-right fashion, they will attempt to inject the llm's with auth-right propaganda to influence the models. The natural state of things is lib-left. Those with power try to bend reality to their desires. See: Musk and Twitter, Bezos and WaPo. The entirety of Sinclair Broadcasting. Ellison and Colbert Show. Or any propaganda ministry from the last 100 years
fyrabanks•18m ago
"Read that list back. Pro-regulation on companies, live-and-let-live on private life. That combination is the lib-left quadrant, definitionally."

if this is the definition of "lib-left," i don't think we have too much to be worried about being "off center" with models.

IG_Semmelweiss•13m ago
>>> Those with power try to bend reality to their desires

you won't get much disagreement there. Yet to say that WaPo has a lib left bent at the whims of bezos in the last 10 years, is a stretch of the imagination.

However, you don't need to do much of mental gymnastics for

>>> Those with power try to bend reality to their desires

to remain accurate. Because those in power - the WaPo Editorial Board - used the WaPo as their personal megaphone until Bezos noticed his toy was on fire... and burning his rug made out of $$$ dollar bills.

joshka•19m ago
Makes you wonder whether that reality has a left wing bias quote might have some legs after all (though it's probable more likely selection bias for the corpora)
ETH_start•19m ago
The problem with LLM training is that it's driven by the ability to predict the next token in a large corpus of text, and the correlation between text and reality diverges as the phenomenon that the text pertains to expands in scale.

When you're looking at text that deals with small-scale phenomena like coding, next token prediction also leads to functionality prediction, because coding provides immediate feedback to those who are writing about it, so they generally provide correct commentary on it.

But the feedback loop between outcome and prediction totally breaks down when the phenomenon is very large and complex. People can have all sorts of ideas about religion and society and economics that are totally wrong and never grow any wiser because there is no obvious causal chain between one policy or action and one outcome in these kind of phenomenon.

josefritzishere•18m ago
Is this another version of "Reality has a well documented liberal bias" ?
AmericanOP•17m ago
At least in the US, does the right have a coherent platform for an LLM to grasp onto?

They haven’t had a major policy platform in two decades and their cultural modus operandi is reactionary.

Not to mention, as an informal rule, the heavily-coded emotive underpinnings of right wing support are never talked about openly in public.

AI isn’t trained to have a reactionary/default negative response on any query.

daveidol•8m ago
I think you may be confusing 'the right' more broadly with the current Republican party. There are absolutely coherent conservative viewpoints that mirror/oppose those that we consider 'the left', which aren't "reactionary" by nature.
paxys•17m ago
It’s pointless to try and force-fit LLMs into the present day American-centric two party political spectrum.

As an example, if a model says “climate change is real and renewable solar/wind projects are a good path forward” it will be immediately branded as liberal and “woke”. Meanwhile in a lot of countries around the world this isn’t a political topic at all, just common knowledge. In India for example the far right party that is in power is a bigger proponent of renewable green energy than the previous left wing one. Same with the CCP in China. So is the same LLM now ultra-conservative and communist?

henry2023•12m ago
Agree. A lot of easily verifiable truth claims would be instantly cataloged to be liberal thinking. Conservatism anti-science political opinions will always collide with models that try to answer to their best of their knowledge.

Note: I’m a centrist and strongly disagree with a lot of the ideology in the left and the right.

antisthenes•12m ago
> It’s pointless to try and force-fit LLMs into the present day American-centric two party political spectrum.

Yes, thank you! Especially when using a weird set of simplistic "vibey" loaded questions that would have very different answers based on the given context.

wwweston•16m ago
The enlightenment and its values underly a huge portion of what’s published, both inside scholarly tradition and in popular work.

Ans the enlightenment is at heart civil libertarian, pro-social, and liberal.

Models trained on that work will reflect that approach.

danielvaughn•15m ago
Armchair analysis here, of course, but I'd bet that it's due to the sources that model training tends to assume as authoritative. If you look broadly at the material produced by the (American) academic world, the corporate world, and mainstream journalism over the last 10-15 years, much of it leans generally to the left. I'd imagine it would be difficult to counteract the bias without accidentally introducing an alternate bias, but I'm not really familiar with model training so I'm not sure.
jey•3m ago
The author cites a study (Rozado, 2024, in PLOS ONE) that supposedly shows the base models (before assistant-specific post-training) basically scored at the center (0, 0).

https://unslop.run/blog/assets/exp13/f7_context.png

antisthenes•14m ago
Man, this is tiring.

There's a certain category of people who seem to be unable to have any thought or perform any action without first having a mini culture war and annoying everyone else around them with it.

Reading the questions, some of them are valid, but some are so simplistic and trivialized that they are essentially useless as actual "policy".

And in case anyone is wondering what kind of question is nonsense, here's an example of a loaded question:

"The rich are too highly taxed. · all 16 disagree"

Too highly relative to what? In which country? In which period? What's the context?

dmrivers•3m ago
I wonder how much of the socially left results are affected by the "harmlessness" part of the RLHF post-training? Companies don't want to be sued over LLMs that recommend harm in any way, so RLHF pushes them to say no to "death penalty", "spanking", and "incarceration" which are all violence-coded. A lot of this test seems to be about willingness to be violent, which LLMs are generally unwilling to be.
6m ago
Did you wrap framing around the quiz questions? EG - You are an objective social analyst. Do you agree with this proposition: “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” is a fundamentally good idea. I am wondering what sort of persona bias a given prompt may trigger - maybe that's the Grok case. As if you'd have to be pretty biased even to ask a question like that... so the trained response is toward the biased persona.
megaloblasto•20m ago
For what's its worth, any model that uses constitutional AI (like claude) does use RLHF anymore
kittoes•9m ago
Is it truly bias though? As others have pointed out in the thread the list of things considered left right now are essentially arbitrary. "Woke" has been applied to basically anything and everything that a particular party disagrees with, so much so that it's effectively meaningless at this point.
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2m ago
Is there a reason you think 4chan would be auth right rather than lib right?
12m ago
No, reality has multiple sides. Outside of a few right wing channels and blogs, most reporters and comedians are leftists - which isn’t representative of the total population whatsoever.
Sohcahtoa82•2m ago
It was Stephen Colbert, back in 2006 during a White House Correspondents' Dinner, which of course was during the Bush administration. The exact line is "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

And I think it's true, only because of how much bullshit right-wing journalism creates. Sure, all journalists have bias. Editors will choose which stories matter, which facts get included, and what context gets emphasized. But right-wing news outlets come up with outright fabrications based on nothing.

Haitian immigrants eating pets. Dominion voting machines switching votes in 2020. Tons of lies of what really happened on Jan 6. Schools putting litter boxes for students who "identify as cats". Basically anything spouted by Alex Jones.

And that's just the more recent stuff. Go back to 2016 and the bullshit was off the charts. Yelling about a child sex trafficking ring being run from the basement of a pizza place that didn't even have a basement.

That doesn't even get into issues like human-caused climate change, which the right continues to deny.

So yeah...reality has a liberal bias.