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iPhone Upgrade Program

https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program
22•lkurtz•42m ago

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OrangeDelonge•21m ago
Makes sense they discontinued it given that the last 5 iphones have been almost exactly the same
xp84•15m ago
Hey that's not fair, there has been one actually useful "innovation" -- switching to USB-C like the rest of the world has been using for 10 years. Literally nothing has made me feel the slightest craving for a new iPhone since getting my 15 Pro Max.
viccis•16m ago
They're switching to a lease model. Almost certainly because of the cost of components, but also in their interests to continue the "you'll own nothing" trend. They're even using Klarna as the leasing provider.
iscoelho•14m ago
The Apple Upgrade lease model isn't even a replacement as you have to wait 24 months before upgrading.

The entire point of the iPhone Upgrade Program was to make it painless to swap to the newest iPhone every year. Without that, there's no value proposition.

smith7018•10m ago
They have 12 month options for the Apple Upgrade program. I just checked how much it would cost to get an iPhone 17 PM + AppleCare+ with theft protection like I currently get from the IUP and it's $3 more a month.
iscoelho•10m ago
I stand corrected! This doesn't look too bad then.
IAmGraydon•11m ago
I don't know about you, but I like to own things that appreciate. Why would I care about leasing something that just loses value as time passes? This is not a bad way to get your phone, IMO.
IAmGraydon•14m ago
So they're going to subtract the residual from the price and divide that by some term, just like leasing a car. Doesn't seem like a bad way to get a phone and in the end, they just automatically own the residual instead of buying it from you. It seems like a more predicable way to do the same thing most people are already doing.
xp84•2m ago
I think "most people" have been shifting towards longer than 24-month replacement cycles. Leasing with a fixed end is probably predicted in their financial models to do a better job of getting more people onto a strict 24 month cycle. Nobody will want to actually buy out their lease on a 2-year-old phone, so they'll turn it in and lease another one, so Apple can throw it into the shredder[1] and show an additional sale on their books.

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/News/94386/the-truth-about-apples-fre...

paxys•13m ago
Replaced by a lease program - https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade

Pay $32/mo (so $770 total) to use an iPhone for two years and then give it back to Apple.

This is truly the most dystopian timeline.

applfanboysbgon•10m ago
The most dystopian thing about this timeline is how completely normalised corporate propaganda is.

> While our customers have loved the iPhone Upgrade Program, we’re always looking for ways to give them more flexibility, better value, and a more seamless experience.

If I were malicious dictator for life, there would be a special section in my gulags for the people who write copy that entails telling customers it's raining while pissing on them.

Aurornis•11m ago
Interesting decision. As far as I can tell, the iPhone Upgrade Program was structured like a loan where you owned the device but kept making payments. You then had the option to trade up to a new phone and add more months to the loan, or to pay out the remainder of the loan (24 months?)

They’re discontinuing this and replacing it with Apple Upgrade, which is structured as a lease. Apple owns the device and you make payments. You either return the device or buy it out at the end.

The distinction probably doesn’t matter much to the typical consumer, other than the final price differences. Some people have an emotional attachment to knowing they own the phone instead of leasing it (I’m emotionally attached to this position, however illogical) but in the end it comes down to having a device in your hand for a monthly payment.

acmnrs•9m ago
The iPhone Upgrade Program was a 24-month 0% financing program for iPhones. The replacement Apple Upgrade<https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade> is a leasing program that also covers iPads, Macs, and Apple Watches.

Instead of automatically owning the device after making all payments, you can choose return/upgrade/buy it at the end of the lease. The new program is backed by Klarna, uses a soft credit check, and no longer includes AppleCare+ by default.

The fact that the page is not particularly clear about any of this should tell you everything you need to know about this change.

bdcravens•3m ago
Additionally, the loan program was administered by Citizens Bank, not Apple.
philamonster•8m ago
This is my last iPhone/smartphone (13 mini).
recursivedoubts•2m ago
legit could be your last phone ever, why upgrade?
xp84•6m ago
Seems like a good place to also mourn the canonical best iPhone financing method - the blissfully simple Apple Card payment plan. They got rid of it[1] (except if you're engaging in the postpaid carrier contract foolishness) in 2023, which coincidentally was the last time I felt the need to get a new iPhone.

I know a lot of people use postpaid, but I can't understand why. I'd challenge anyone to justify that decision, given that the phone "deals" are rarely even much of a subsidy as opposed to a financing scheme that acts as a contract, and the plans cost about triple what I pay every month, for fewer features and equivalent at best priority and speeds.

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2023/06/15/apple-card-financing-sim-free...

wxw•4m ago
> To make way for Apple Upgrade — a new experience that offers more products and terms that work for you — we’re saying goodbye to the iPhone Upgrade Program.

https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade

It looks like this leasing program is just moving into a more generic/Apple-wide offering... not sure if the fine print changes.

[edit: from the comments, it sounds like the difference is it was previously 0% interest financing and no longer is]

tamimio•2m ago
So this new one seems like hardware-as-a-service subscription, the hardware is basically rented out, and since everything is linked to apple account it’s easier to lock it remotely if you don’t pay that month. They are probably planning to increase the prices and are introducing this model so it looks less of a payment method, except you don’t even own it.
nerdjon•2m ago
The math for the new program is kinda perplexing, my guess is that they are hoping that most people just will send in the device and upgrade.

If I am reading the FAQ here properly: https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade.

> If you decide to buy the device, the purchase option fee is the list price minus any lease payments you’ve made minus any remaining discounts or trade-in credit. (excluding tax and any damage fees).

Lets look at a couple examples:

iPhone 17 pro max would be $1199 to buy (~1273 with tax) or $34.99 for 24 months totaling $839.76. So would cost 433.33 at the end of the lease to keep it

The cheapest 16" MBP would be 2,999 to buy (3186.44 with tax) or $57.99 for 36 months (or 80.99 for 24 months). 2087.64 or 1943.76. So around ~1k to buy it at the end.

It looks like you can keep making payments for 6 months to lower the buyout price a little bit.

So worst case scenario this is a 3 and a half year interest free loan with a higher payment at the end.

Seems not terrible? As long as you treat it as a loan and not a lease you can end at any point it seems fine and nothing really shady about it. You still have the option to own the device for the original cost.

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