In particular for "hot" topics like this people should use the search function at the bottom of every HN page before rushing into post.
The last thing everyone needs is yet another duplicate post with hundreds of comments re-hashing the exact same comments that people already made before. It is not helpful for anyone.
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Whatever you're thinking of posting has almost certainly already been said more than once on the original HN discussion.
Ban VPN's and people will fall back to the myriad of open source alternatives that can be a bit harder to peel back and get logs assuming any exist in the first place. This was a thing some time ago. Many of the malware and pirate groups were sharing Tinc meshes though as expected there would at times be one person in the group that would be the weakest link and expose the entire group. Expand the numbers of people doing this and the probability of a few groups using decent operational security will increase.
freedomben•23m ago
I have actually heard otherwise intelligent people say things just like that, including site operators who run nontrivial websites.
There are of course some people on the other side who think VPNs are a guarantee of privacy and secrecy on the internet, but that's pretty rare in my anecdatal experience. I largely blame the rampant ads on podcasts for this view.
asdfsa32•22m ago
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mulr00ney•14m ago
NotHereNotThere•14m ago
I'm not trying to break the law, I use it for my corporate usage, therefore it is legitimate use.
What are you trying to say?
latexr•4m ago
Pretty sure they meant “second paragraph” instead of “second sentence”.
f6v•1m ago
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croes•20m ago
Edit: missed the second paragraph
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yreg•20m ago
Regarding the misleading podcast claims, at least all the podcast and youtube ads made the VPNs popular on the mass market so now they are more difficult to be silently outlawed.
lightningdev1•12m ago
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yreg•17m ago
Meaning the poster finds it surprising that intelligent site operators would honestly think that.
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idonotknowwhy•14m ago
It's only because of your comment that I re-read the their post.
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outime•8m ago
This is an illusion we really need to remove from our collective consciousness. Running a popular website while being an ops genius, being a neurosurgeon who saves lives every day or being the world's best architect doesn't mean someone has sound opinions on topics right outside their area of expertise.
In fact, nowadays it seems to be all about appeals to authority which IMHO makes us more ignorant because many people seem to not think critically anymore. Instead, it's just "an expert said so" - then you look into the "expert" and in many cases they either aren't actually an expert or they're a paid shill. But that's a topic for some other day.
Markoff•7m ago
f6v•3m ago
You can't imagine how much crime I committed in my teenage years. You don't wanna end up like me, punks! Stay off that crap!