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Dubious research tied to Red Bull has shaped energy drink policy

https://www.theexamination.org/articles/red-bull-funded-research-energy-drinks-alcohol
41•Jimmc414•54m ago

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Lammy•36m ago
That's okay, I'll still keep drinking that garbage.
john_strinlai•30m ago
there seems to be 3 different issues in this article:

- mixing alcohol and energy drinks (health-wise, e.g. arrhythmia)

- mixing alcohol and energy drinks (psychologically, e.g. increased risky behavior)

- age restriction on energy drinks to prevent kids from drinking them

i am not positive how i feel on the first two. i could be convinced that the third is reasonable for some age group, though i think it would be silly to ban it for all under-21s.

randysalami•22m ago
Vodka Red Bull always seemed crazy to me. Caffeine lasts like 6 hours so I drink one at 2 am, what the hell am I doing! Granted people do cocaine so maybe it’s inconsequential.

Drinking some coffee at 6 and 10 though before a night out, good move. Where I am, the nights can go to 4 or 6 easily.

rpmisms•16m ago
Crown and Red Bull (tastes better) is my order if I want to drink and dance.
jpalawaga•16m ago
if you're up til 6, your next day is already shot. who cares about caffeine at 2am at that point.
xnx•16m ago
Espresso martini is the popular caffeine and alcohol combo now.
harimau777•15m ago
My understanding is that part of the problem with mixing caffine with alcohol is that it can prevent someone from passing out; which is the body's defense mechanism against alcohol poisoning.

From that perspective I think that an argument could be made that restricting caffinated alcohol is regulating substances with known health risks.

Full disclosure: I like vodka Redbulls. So I'm not saying this like I'm someone who is moral panicking.

doctorpangloss•9m ago
Four Lokos were indeed banned in Massachusetts.
TylerE•4m ago
No, the bodies defense against alcohol is vomiting. "Passing out" increases risk, namely that you vomit while asleep, and then choke on the vomit.
ge96•11m ago
long live 4 loco
seanicus•29m ago
Not sure how things work on the backend but we're missing "alcohol" or "vodka" in the headline on HN, as it is on the page.
exabrial•23m ago
The better question should be: Is it any of our business?

The answer is No. It is none of your business. Go live your life and quit trying to control others, which is all this nonsense is about.

fhdkweig•17m ago
People can make up their own minds as to whether they are willing to take the risks, but first they must be given accurate information. It is important to know if the studies that say something is safe has been funded by the industries that profit from it.
ryu2k2•13m ago
It sure is our business if companies are misappropriating science to sell harmful products or advertize harmful misuse of their products.
PaulRobinson•19m ago
I never again want to work on a team full of people who drink a lot of energy drinks.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a saint and I only ever sip mineral water or kombucha (although I do like both), but that stuff sends people crazy in a long term way I've not seen before. I'd rather people were slightly tipsy after a lunch in the local pub than on that stuff.

xnx•17m ago
Different than coffee?
tombert•8m ago
There certainly is kind of a different culture around people who chug energy drinks compared to people who drink coffee.

Energy drinks in the fridge at a job sort of signals that this company is part of that "grindset hustle culture" startup, which itself likes to employ a certain..."type".

googaar•19m ago
Feels like common sense to avoid energy drinks.

The best case is it does no harm.

Im definitely in the minority but there’s just zero value to me in drinking an energy drink. If you need energy that bad, there’s several options that are less artificial with similar effects.

I’ve tasted a Celsius here and there, don’t get me wrong. I get the appeal, but it’s just silly to not consider the health effects. I’m also anti-syrup and sodas so I’m a bit odd I guess.

nemomarx•18m ago
What health effects compared to other caffeine sources (pills, coffee)

I haven't really noticed any, or heard much studies that wouldn't apply to similar amounts of coffee at least. Do the other supplemented ingredients add a lot of harm?

ls612•16m ago
No it is just a moral panic because college students like to drink vodka Red Bulls, as opposed to drinking Irish coffees or any similar combination of caffeine and alcohol.
AbsurdCensor•10m ago
Yeah, seems like the problem is alcohol + caffeine, and at least in the US, those combinations in a single drink have been banned (ie Four Loko)
ls612•6m ago
Glad to know you uncritically will sign up for the moral panic of the times.
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yrjrjjrjjtjjr•16m ago
Opposition to energy drinks seems like a moral panic to me. Like I don't see anyone calling for bans on coffee and Irish coffee.
nemomarx•15m ago
I could believe the UK might try to ban selling coffee to under 21s too at the current rate, honestly. There's probably at least one study about stunting growth with coffee?
ls612•10m ago
Show ID at Starbucks in the yookay, what a country lol.
crtasm•13m ago
Well, are either of those sold in cans and marketed to children?
yrjrjjrjjtjjr•5m ago
Coffee is sold in cans yes.
cyanregiment•16m ago
> In England, an 18-year-old woman suffered three cardiac arrests after downing 10 Jägerbombs

I wonder if there was a pre-existing condition. And... three ???

She's fine now. Dancin on TikTok like everyone else

somasomasoma•12m ago
Everyone knows caffeine isn't that great for you, its already labeled and its not deceiving anyone and many abstain. What they should ban is Gatorade/Poweraid which is tricking everyone. Ask a nephrologist or cardiologist if they drink it! THE THIRST MUTILATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
jtbayly•10m ago
can you point me to any research?
tombert•11m ago
I have always hated coffee so I've previously had some kind of energy drink in the morning for weeks at a time.

Those suckers are bizarrely addictive. It's one thing to have one shortly after you wake up, but I found myself craving them later and later in the day, and of course that makes it harder to sleep...which makes me more likely to have energy drinks the next day.

I stopped the daily consumption when I realized I was having around 800mg of caffeine a day, which couldn't possibly be good for me. I quit energy drinks cold turkey and just did Diet Coke, which I cut off at 2pm; even with that weening off I still got headaches and felt miserable for three days.

I will still occasionally consume an energy drink if I'm traveling and I need to wake up super early, but thankfully these are very outlier events.

layer8•8m ago
I mean, you could say the same thing about coffee.
superdisk•9m ago
I really don't know why people go so nuts over energy drinks. People casually chug coffee like crazy and then act like you're drinking nuclear waste when you drink a monster, and then you look at the ingredients list and it's like

- Water - Sugar - Vitamin B - Caffeine

and the caffeine is basically equivalent to one cup of coffee.

SequoiaHope•5m ago
To me the surprising thing is how much sugar people are willing to drink, but I think the same thing when my friend drinks Coca Cola.
frankzander•8m ago
To all RB/Energy Drink consuments ... why do you drink RB instead of a good ol cup of coffee/tee? Please ... don't just write "it tastes good" ... no it don't. A strawberry or a cherry from the tree tastes good but not RB.
john_strinlai•6m ago
>Please ... don't just write "it tastes good" ... no it don't.

taste is subjective. i dont drink them often, but i enjoy a can of original green monster occasionally because i find it tastes good.

holoduke•5m ago
I believe soda drinks are a big contributor to various cancers. Stop drinking it. It only gives advantages. There is zero absolutely zero positive thing about these extreme sugar drinks.
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17m ago
>The best case is it does no harm.

Isn't it pretty obvious that people drink them for... energy?

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