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A Rant About “Technology” (2005)

https://www.ursulakleguin.com/a-rant-about-technology
63•jamesgill•55m ago

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daishi55•40m ago
Not really a rant? She’s just clarifying a reasonable difference between different types of technology to explain how her work qualifies as science fiction without being all about what she calls “hi-tech” technology.

Sounded pretty reasonable to me anyway.

Jtsummers•38m ago
> Submission title is a bit misleading.

It's the original title, she labeled it a rant herself.

EDIT: The person I replied to has significantly edited their comment since my original reply so my comment now appears as a non sequitur. This is why I quote people, or wait a couple hours to reply once I know they're the sort to do this kind of thing.

daishi55•16m ago
Yes, I noticed that was her title and not the submitters title so I edited my comment accordingly.
trescenzi•30m ago
By the standards of someone as articulate as Le Guin it's definitively a rant.
AdmiralAsshat•34m ago
To wit, LeGuin is the one who originally coined the term "ansible," which is about as hard sci-fi as you can get.
Cpoll•25m ago
I don't think an ansible is "hard sci-fi". Hard sci-fi deals with known physics, and FTL communication violates that.
theptip•11m ago
I agree that the ansible isn’t hard sci-fi, it’s not defined rigorously IIRC.

However I don’t think hard sci-fi has ever been strictly limited to known physics. It just requires consistency with it.

Greg Egan is one of the OGs of hard sci-fi, and a lot of his work is borderline psychedelic in how far he takes speculative-yet-consistent physics.

There are plenty of physically consistent “FTL” mechanisms in the family of “bend spacetime” that don’t violate c and have not been disproven.

pitchlatte•5m ago
there is almost no sci-fi with at least some invention and speculation that bends known physics and/or engineering, either implicitly or explicitly. novels that seem very “hard” often ignore effects that would ruin the plot, and make up physics. it might be plausible and compatible with known physical laws, but it’s speculation plain and simple.
simmerup•25m ago
How is it hard sci-fi? It was basically magic
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bananaflag•29m ago
This is a bit of a strawman argument. Hard SF is not just "about tech", it is about making sure the tech agrees with scientific principles and is not just an ad hoc method to make some story possible. Soft SF can be about tech and its (social) implications (like her work) but is not written in this sort of spirit. This is why she has written "soft SF".
graemep•21m ago
She sticks to some principles. The hainish universe has no FTL travel, which lots of hard sci-fi does. There are people with psychic powers,but that also happens in hard SF. Compare her to Niven, for example
miyoji•8m ago
> the hainish universe has no FTL travel

That's not quite right. There are FTL ships in the Hainish books, but they carry no passengers because living things cannot survive FTL travel.

miyoji•17m ago
A strawman is when you make up an argument to defeat it. She has made nothing up, the reviewer said, "As Le Guin isn’t a hard science fiction writer, these traits aren’t technological — technology is carefully avoided — but philosophical, psychological, social, or linguistic." You can complain that the reviewer is wrong in their characterization of hard science fiction, but Le Guin is not beating up a straw man, she's responding to an argument that she disagrees with, explaining her disagreement.
hungryhobbit•24m ago
Le Guin is a master of fiction, period. While she's very different from modern sci-fi/fantasy, her work is almost as foundational as Tolkien, Lewis, or Asimov.

Take her Earthsea series (which was very loosely adapted as a Studio Ghibli movie). It's much slower paced than modern fantasy. Barely anyone dies (no Red Weddings here), and it almost reads more like an extended fairy tale.

But when you start reading it you can see how it influenced so much modern stuff (eg. she was telling stories about going off to wizard school decades before Harry Potter existed) and both the story and the writing itself are both so well crafted that (in many ways) no one who's come after has managed to surpass it.

If you like either sci-fi or fantasy, do yourself a favor and read some of the amazing writing this titan of an author created.

api•18m ago
Fine. Sci-fi is a broad genre that intersects at the edges with fantasy, alternate history, magic realism, and all kinds of other very imaginative styles.

The hard/soft axis is fuzzy. The extreme of hard is "known physics only" and generally modest technical leaps or changes (e.g. solarpunk imagines known physics but a very different technical vocabulary for how it's used).

The extreme of soft becomes fantasy with sci-fi veneer, like Star Wars.

Fiction is art. It's all valid. It just depends on the style you're going for and what kind of story you're trying to tell.

I like hard SF because I'm an engineer, but I also think there's not a lot of well written hard SF in terms of prose style and character development. I wish there was more.

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21m ago
> which is about as hard sci-fi as you can get.

Interesting, I always thought that the modern interpretation is that hard sci-fi is "rooted in science" or close to it. The ansible (i.e. FTL communication) is, to our current knowledge, not possible. But it is such a useful plot device that it could be viewed as "close enough".

I understand the opposite of hard sci-fi to be the hand wavy "magic" stuff like photon torpedoes, teleportation, phasers, hyperspace, and so on.

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