The only convincing argument here is that these things are battle tested (I guess literally in most cases), with tons of research that never gets published because it's unsuccessful. A whole lot of human effort has gone into trying to break these things, and it's going to take a while before LLMs can equal and surpass that amount of human effort. And they might have to surpass it by many times to actually break these, if it is even possible.
The first one is not similar to the mathematical breakthroughs LLMs are making recently. There is a loss of information in mods and integer computations making them one-way. The second one requires simply increasing bit-length to match the increased computer power.
sghiassy•16m ago
Edit: I know I’m naive of anything security, by a lot a lot. But still, this isn’t surprising
dadrian•13m ago
what•10m ago
sghiassy•10m ago
I guess I only know asymmetric cryptography. I should learn more about symmetric…
Anyone care to boil it down for me :)
Edit: Isn’t this just advanced static analysis of any code base?
OJFord•3m ago
LLMs are capable not just of calculating the most likely next word from a prompt according to a corpus of training text, but of doing so & feeding back into themselves, the most likely word now based not only on the corpus but on the basic prediction, a second (nth) stage of thought.
Yes it's all still token prediction, but it's predicting conversation between let's say not experts but capable speakers with all the information at hand. Undergraduates if you like. And such conversation can yield real results.