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How Claude marks AI-generated content

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/16266773-how-claude-marks-ai-generated-content
33•mfiguiere•50m ago

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Computer0•30m ago
So this won't be happening in the US, but in the EU:

"When a supported Claude model generates text, it weaves an imperceptible watermark directly into the text itself. You won’t see it, and it doesn’t change the meaning, quality, or readability of Claude’s response.

Because the watermark is part of the text, it will travel with the text when it’s copied and pasted elsewhere, and may persist through some editing. Watermarking will be applied at the model level, which means it will be present no matter which Claude product or surface the text comes from.

"

travisgriggs•27m ago
I would love to see what this looks like in practice. Especially in generated code. I assume this is more than insertion of non visible special unicode whitespace characters, but more in the pattern of the text content itself?
AtHeartEngineer•20m ago
non visible text is extremely easy to filter with a git hook, a post tool call hook, or just a script. I doubt they are doing that
sixtyj•17m ago
Or grep, in a skill. /clean-cc-watermark just entered the chat…
wolfy1993•16m ago
IIRC, watermarking text could be as simple as training the model to use specific words/phrases more frequently than what you would expect to find in human-written text, to the point where it's highly statistically improbable that it wasn't AI generated. I assume similar logic could apply to code in the form of functions/code styling.

That's probably an over simplification. Also a solid defence that can be used against complaints about the way AI writes text.

toufka•9m ago
I'm guessing - probably some textual variation on Benford's law? [1]. Trivial for compute, painful for a human.

- "Ensure distribution of vowels is in >99th percentile of human work"

- "Ensure the distribution of the letter "s" is within 99th percentile of human work"

- "Ensure the distribution of the letter "L" is periodic with periodicity within 5% of 1/N characters.

- "Ensure there is a cross-linguistic 'typo' (colour vs color) at 1/N words, where N: 1000 = Model1, 2000 = Model2, 3000 = Model3.

- "Ensure the distribution of tense error is within 99th percentile of human work"

If more than 3 dimensions have a score >99% percentile of human, let's call it watermarked...

- 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

lorenzohess•27m ago
> Generated text will carry embedded watermarks, and generated files will include digitally signed provenance metadata where supported.

This should make it easier to catch cheaters who use Claude, right? Unless everyone runs their artifacts through some watermark and metadata sanitizer?

uncivilized•20m ago
As long as they’re in the EU.
nonestdeus•11m ago
From the linked article

> Regions. Marking will apply to output from supported models wherever Claude is offered, worldwide.

bossyTeacher•20m ago
> Unless everyone runs their artifacts through some watermark and metadata sanitizer?

It will happen if Claude tampers the text. Guaranteed.

amelius•27m ago
They should just replace the spaces by one of Unicode special space characters.

Can it be circumvented? Of course. Will most people go through the trouble to circumvent it? No.

sixtyj•18m ago
https://unicode-explorer.com/articles/space-characters

U+2800 or U+3164 would be nice.

But as I remove unwanted characters with grep before layout in InDesign, someone will make a skill for removing such space characters.

ack_complete•9m ago
We already have one, our Claude setup already requires output to be 7-bit ASCII clean and scans it for such.
A_D_E_P_T•16m ago
If it's that simple and obvious, you'll have 10 "Remove Claude Watermark" web-apps by the end of Day 1. Most of them coded by Claude.

Might still happen, actually. There's no watermark in text that can't be detected and removed, and no text that can't be converted to generic keyboard ASCII.

aabhay•26m ago
I have had a hunch for a while now that (in addition to these tools), Anthropic has actually leaned in to Claude's distinctive manner of writing since it makes the text more obviously AI generated and thus less susceptible to misuse.

That's not necessarily the same thing as a markov-style fingerprint but it could be a correlated factor.

pjm331•10m ago
I had a similar thought but I assumed they leaned in because it improved performance on coding or something like that
kingstnap•7m ago
It could also partly be a byproduct of examples of claude writing being in the dataset, which of course anthropic has lots and lots of and they do train on.
case540•21m ago
I don’t like the idea of hacking a response to contain a watermark. I also don’t like the idea of false positives detections coming directly from Anthropic. If people read more AI generated content, people will probably start writing more in that style
simonw•11m ago
> When a supported Claude model generates text, it weaves an imperceptible watermark directly into the text itself. You won’t see it, and it doesn’t change the meaning, quality, or readability of Claude’s response.

I'd like to know a lot more about how that works.

A lot of my interactions with Claude return pretty precise text. If I ask it to edit a project and refactor a specific function in several places I know exactly what I want to happen, it will NOT be OK if those refactors have some kind of weird pattern baked into their text to act as a watermark.

I guess this may be covered by this:

> Content generated by Claude may not carry a detectable mark if, for example: [...] The passage is very short, leaving too little text for a reliable signal;

gajus•6m ago
Most likely watermark will be proportional to the input/output ratio, i.e. if you input a long document and ask to make edits, it will not attempt to watermark it. On the other hand, if you provide a tweet and ask it to write an article, that will include watermark. Just a guess (and yes, it feels flawed)
izonu•9m ago
> We’re also working to enable users and other third parties to detect Claude’s embedded watermarks and provenance metadata.

This seems to be similar in execution to Google's SynthID. I hope they release actual code the technically proficient can use, unlike SynthID which can only (afaik) be queried with Gemini's UI.

simonw•8m ago
An interesting factor of this is competition.

If Claude was the only model family they could ship a change like this and users who want to cheat (or don't like watermarks for other reasons) would just have to put up with it.

In a world with many different competing models, the risk of losing customers to other providers over this is much more real.

Maybe they've looked at the numbers and the portion of people who clearly use Claude to cheat on examples etc is so tiny that losing them to other providers isn't a problem?

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