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University of Michigan Drops First-Semester Grades To'Curb Mental Health Crisis'

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/university-of-michigan-grades-mental-health-1a5701d4
31•cwwc•52m ago

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speak_plainly•33m ago
The stated reason for doing this seems suspicious. A pass/fail dynamic would likely maintain student anxiety, if not increase it.

What I think is more likely is that this move will help them hire less qualified teachers and reduce administrative oversight as now they no longer have to worry about all the issues that come with grading, such as consistency, or the grades accurately reflecting performance. The quality of curriculum will likely drop significantly and this will be reflected in the student’s second year grades.

eclipticplane•25m ago
Hire less qualified teachers, move to even larger class sizes with less support, and move more teachers into administrative roles, furthering the decline of education.
nemomarx•20m ago
The pass fail dynamic won't increase anxiety if you tell everyone to not fail students, though.
speak_plainly•9m ago
I would have anxiety if I was a first year student who wanted to transfer out to another school or program and not know if my 'pass' would be sufficient to get prior recognition of learning or advanced standing.
Jtsummers•8m ago
> A pass/fail dynamic would likely maintain student anxiety, if not increase it.

Pass/fail means that whatever was a C before is going to be passing now. It lowers expectations compared to the previous grading scheme (in that a C no longer has a serious impact on your GPA, you still pass). If the majority of the students are getting a C or better, the majority of students would get a passing mark.

quaddoggy•30m ago
I'll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coddling_of_the_American_M...
SamuelAdams•13m ago
That is an excellent book that describes the changes higher education is facing in its students around 2014-2018. I have read it about a year ago.

They really ought to do a follow up for 2026. From what I gather talking to faculty and professors, this problem became noticeably worse since COVID and the years following. A follow up book or study would be very interesting to read.

AngryData•30m ago
It sounds okay at first glance, but how many people are going to get saddled with an extra semester of debt now because they didn't figure out they weren't suite/ready for college yet but were just passed along through the first semester anyways?
dtj1123•16m ago
Completely agree. My first semester of university was straight up hazing, which at the time felt like crap.

The consequence though, was that every single person who stayed on the course actually cared about being there. Staying motivated for the next three and a half years was made so much easier because the first six months were so difficult.

to11mtm•13m ago
Pretty good question.

I remember two things about my university.

First, I was a 'provisional' admission. Which meant that I had to maintain at least a C Average for the first year, Had to log a certain number of hours in one of the 'study centers' every week (Although I could technically do whatever, so I wound up reading a lot of books once I had my coursework done,) and there was a 1 hour a week pass/fail that was primarily following up on the study center logs and connecting students with extra help if the needed it.

Second, I remember a -lot- of people pledging a fraternity their first semester, and statistically it seemed to cause a much higher fail rate... In fact, I tried pledging a social fraternity my second year, dropped out in less than a week because I realized the time commitments and requirements would have tanked my grades; sure enough out of the entire group that didn't drop out, less than 10% survived through the full year.

That second point actually got so bad that, for my last year they actually banned Social fraternities from recruiting first semester freshmen... not sure whether it stuck or not after I graduated tho.

quaverquaver•28m ago
research tilts towards grades not helping learners in contrast to non-quantitative feedback so there's that.
harimau777•25m ago
Huh, I never considered that grades might be intended to help the person learning. I always assumed they were just intended as a signal to the rest of the world that they had learned something.
morkalork•18m ago
Yeah, the students are being graded like meat. It's not for the cow's sake, it's for the consumer. I say this as someone who had to maintain a set gpa through to keep a scholarship.
culi•18m ago
I think that's possibly one of the main problems with grades and why they inevitably lead to the grade inflation crisis. From the article:

> In May, Harvard University faculty voted to approve a 20% cap on the number of A’s per undergraduate course in an effort to curb grade inflation. It won’t apply to A-minuses, which committee members predicted would become the most awarded grade.

> At the University of Michigan, a review by the news site MLive found that 74.1% of all undergraduate grades in 2022 were an A+, A or A-. A decade earlier, that percentage was 57.6%.

dpkirchner•18m ago
For the most part, the only people that see the grades are you, your parents, your teacher, and maybe your friends. Most of the world will just see a pass/fail result (degree or not), unless you also earn special awards.
fhdkweig•27m ago
It's been a while since I was in college, but mine gave the bare minimum credit hours (3 classes) to qualify as a full time student and the classes were brain-dead easy. That seemed like a good compromise to get students used to the college life.
michaelfm1211•22m ago
Probably varies on area of study. Many engineering students take prerequisites with intense course load their first year.
ilc•18m ago
To those saying this is soft: https://registrar.mit.edu/classes-grades-evaluations/grades/...

If you want to say MIT is soft. Feel free.

hodgesrm•7m ago
Michigan also dropped their mandate for ACT / SAT to obtain admission. So, yes, I would say that's pretty broken. Combined with systematic grade inflation American universities as a whole are removing any real feedback about student preparation, level of effort, or ability.
joezydeco•17m ago
When you force high school kids to work days that are significantly longer than a normal adult to achieve a good GPA and get into a good college, you can expect that they are going to throttle back once they're away from home with way more free time than is normal.

From my kid's experience: she was up at 6:30am, in AP classes by 7:30am (three more to go during the day). Classes were done by 3:00, then sports practice until 5:00. Gotta have that activity on your college application, not counting other volunteering and clubs in the open spaces. Then homework after dinner until 10:00 or so, sometimes much later. Homework assigned over weekends. Homework assigned over breaks.

That's 15+ hours a day, every weekday, for an entire school year. Then you have test prep (APs and the ACT/SAT), college applications, writing essays and scholarship applications, college tours, sorting decisions, financial aid applications, etc etc etc. And now her college already has a few hours of orientation videos stacked up for her to watch before she moves in.

Personally, I don't blame her if she checks out for a few weeks. Or a semester.

estearum•12m ago
I wouldn't blame her but anyone who has to check out should just fail.

This is about gunning for the elite/upper echelons of society. Doing that requires working like a dog not just for 2 years of high school and 4 years of college, but for likely several decades after.

It's totally fine if not everyone can do it and that more people try than actually achieve it. It would be surprising if those weren't true, and engineering the system otherwise is just degrading what it means to achieve the result.

SlightlyLeftPad•11m ago
It’s what the American corporate work culture expects though. She’ll be well acclimated.
alistairSH•6m ago
tptacek•13m ago
Having put two kids through college now: this makes sense. First semester grades are a shitshow anyways, and aren't especially predictive. The first semester at an R1 is utterly unlike any ordinary high school experience and a lot of what you're measuring is just kids getting their sea legs. What's the point? If it's causing drama, just get rid of it.
culi•13m ago
https://archive.ph/FBFjJ

Given that 75% of all grades in 2022 were A's, grade inflation has already made the indicator value of grades pretty meaningless. I think this take from a student captures it well:

> Louth, 20 years old, said he earned all A’s and one B in his first semester and doubted he would have worked as hard had the classes been pass/fail. But he thinks he would have learned more from his classes without the pressure of earning high marks.

The first semester should help students explore and engage their curiosity. I think it's a good move and hope the experiment succeeds

everdrive•10m ago
Breaking news: student anxiety peaks in the second semester.
timcobb•10m ago
Johns Hopkins has had this since forever
nodesocket•7m ago
This sort of coddling and weak policy is setting students up for a rude awaking when they get into the professional workforce.
otoburb•10m ago
You're right, but I understand that many graduate programs will ask for your undergraduate GPA and/or transcript as part of the application process.

If one doesn't plan on applying to grad school immediately after undergrad then hopefully there is less self-imposed grade pressure.

Personally, I don't blame her if she checks out for a few weeks. Or a semester.

Nor would I, but I'd also accept that she did so and failed a few classes.

Just like I did in the 90s. Although in my case it wasn't burn-out, but system shock at actually having to try to get good grades (Fairfax County PS then UVA).

Did that bombed first semester probably eliminate med school or an elite graduate program? Sure. But I probably wasn't cut out for either anyway.

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