DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro-0813

108•explosion-s•1h ago

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aabdi•1h ago

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/

Competitive with opus 4.8 but weaker than sol or fable. About 20x cheaper.

swiftcoder•32m ago

How does it stack against the updated Deepseek Flash version?

k__•25m ago

Around 5 percentage points better. (E.g., 87% instead of 82%)

Gecko4072•21m ago

So not worth it over flash? Even at ~7x the size it isn't worth the price hike. Flash may be a monster of a model due to all the RL it received from free usage everywhere.

k__•18m ago

I tried the previous Pro model and in the end it was 50% more expensive than the previous Flash.

Wasn't worth it.

saaga•15m ago

Yea that's what I was thinking. Flash is nuts. I find I have to be a more precise and specific with it but damn. It's crossed a threshold of production grade coding for sure.

I was running a session over a couple days and it didnt cross a dollar lol.

networked•8m ago

I haven't tried DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813 yet. Recent experience tells me that larger models are worth it in ways that aren't obvious. MiMo-V2.5-Pro solved problems that DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 couldn't solve for me: for example, adding a live counter for elided reasoning lines to a terminal-based coding harness. You wouldn't be able to tell from the scores on their respective Artifical Analysis pages (https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/mimo-v2-5-pro, https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/deepseek-v4-flash). I like the DeepSeek V4 models, though. It critiqued my engineering decisions better than MiMo, and they seem to have a distinct aesthetic in the SVGs they write.

sparkling•16m ago

deepseek-v4-flash feels so fast and snappy, i'm loving it. Happy to trade speed for the the 5% degraded benchmarking performance.

k__•14m ago

I wouldn't exactly call it snappy, but faster than Pro, yes.

ericd•11m ago

Single request depth on vllm with dspark, I'm getting ~200 tps, I'd say it's pretty snappy.

saaga•14m ago

I feel the same too. I like the speed. I'm also a big fan of glm 5.2 fast. I can't wait for like 2000 t/s on these haha.

pixelesque•11m ago

I've found Pro to be a lot better per "task" than the recently released Flash for code reviews and things (via OpenRouter running in pi.dev).

Flash makes a lot more initial mistakes, and then has to re-check stuff, and produces much more output compared to Pro. It often gets to the correct result eventually, but the output volume is often 5x more than for Pro, and the initial outputs are often wrong, with the first few saying something wrong (like there's a bug, or the code won't compile when it does), and then saying things like "Wait, let me re-check:", or "Actually, looking at it more carefully:" and then it thinks a bit more and eventually gets to the right answer.

swiftcoder•7m ago

yeah, I've definitely noticed one has to be quite precise to keep Flash on the straight-and-narrow

indigodaddy•29m ago

@dang - Pls merge this with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49274018

LeonKnst•26m ago

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

scrlk•26m ago

Benchmarks:

    | Benchmark                | DS-V4-Pro | DS-V4-Flash | DS-V4-Pro | DS-V4-Flash | GLM-5.2   | Kimi-K3   | Opus-4.8  | Fable 5       |
    |                          | 0813      | 0731        | Preview   | Preview     |           |           |           | (w/ fallback) |
    |--------------------------|-----------|-------------|-----------|-------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|---------------|
    | HLE (wo/w tools)         | 42.7/60.0 | 37.8/51.5   | 37.7/48.2 | 34.8/45.1   | 40.5/54.7 | 43.5/56.0 | 49.8/57.9 | 53.3/63.0     |
    | Terminal Bench 2.1       | 87.9      | 82.7        | 72.1      | 61.8        | 81.0      | 88.3      | 85.0      | 88.0          |
    | NL2Repo                  | 61.5      | 54.2        | 38.5      | 39.4        | 48.9      | -         | 69.7      | -             |
    | Cybergym                 | 83.3      | 76.7        | 52.7      | 38.7        | -         | 80.0      | 78.3      | 83.1          |
    | DeepSWE                  | 62.7      | 54.4        | 12.8      | 7.3         | 46.2      | 67.5      | 58.0      | 70.0          |
    | Toolathlon-Verified      | 74.1      | 70.3        | 55.9      | 49.7        | 59.9      | 76.5      | 76.2      | 77.9          |
    | Agents' Last Exam        | 25.7      | 25.2        | 16.5      | 15.8        | 23.8      | 27.6      | 25.7      | -             |
    | AutomationBench (Public) | 31.8      | 25.1        | 12.8      | 10.8        | 12.9      | 30.8      | 27.2      | 29.1          |
    | DSBench-FullStack        | 71.1      | 68.7        | 41.8      | 37.0        | 61.8      | 73.7      | 71.6      | 77.2          |
    | DSBench-Hard             | 67.2      | 59.6        | 31.1      | 25.8        | 54.5      | 63.0      | 71.7      | 68.3          |

Source: https://reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1vmi0fg/deepseek_v4...

Gecko4072•19m ago

Currently burning money quickly on official deepseek api. They are also increasing pricing starting today. V4 Flash 0731 still feels like the most outstanding model of the past few months and probably to come.

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