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3•Brajeshwar•23m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

https://1667.ai/
23•refsab•42m ago
Hi HN. I built 1667 for my own fiction work and now use it each day. This probably has a limited audience. Maybe an audience of one...

Why a terminal interface for story writing? I'm a dev. I like to use terminals for a lot of stuff. Most WebUIs feel off to me. That's the only reason.

One thing that bothers me about writing in existing tools is that they don't fit the way I write. The mental model of my story is a tree. I try many takes usually continue with just one, but sometimes I want to try an alternate route and see where this goes. And that can branch again in many places. See what happens if I kill off this character or they don't take the job or whatever.

1667 is a full-screen terminal app for long-form fiction. Each story part can have several takes. All takes stay in a tree. You select one path through that tree as the story line. Export writes that line to Markdown in the project folder.

Some technical details: - A project stores its stories and settings in a `.1667/` directory. Exported Markdown sits beside it. - Provider secrets stay in private machine files. Requests go to the provider that the writer selects. - An optional Vault Password seals project files at rest. - An operating-system lock permits one writer process for each project. - The request viewer shows the next provider request without its credential. - Each generated take keeps a Generation Record with its model and effective settings.

Version 0.9.5 runs on macOS, Linux, and Windows x64. The website has Shell and PowerShell installers. An npm package is also available.

1667 imports Markdown, SillyTavern chats and cards, and NovelAI archives. It can use OpenAI-compatible, Anthropic, and local endpoints such as Ollama, LM Studio, llama.cpp, and KoboldCpp.

Current limits: the release is pre-1.0. The interface is a terminal. There is no account or cloud sync, and I don't plan to add any. No tracking.

Comments

BrucecarlL•38m ago
The UI looks beautiful,I like its style.
Z4cki•31m ago
Love the style! very creative
bubblegumcrisis•29m ago
This is so depressing for me. The drip will be everywhere.
sesteel•25m ago
I think I am going to move into a rural area and be a glassblower. I'll never be Chihuly, but my work will be my work.
refsab•25m ago
This is not a slop book producer. I mean it is but mostly for a niche of off grid weirdos like me. We are not writing for the public. It's like fanfic. On off grid forums and discords.

I think if someone wanted to produce a slop book for amazon with 1667 there are easier tools for that.

bubblegumcrisis•13m ago
Here's a question. Tangential I know. "Digression!"

If you had a kid, let's say 6 years old, and they had a "super hero" they wrote stories about.

What would it mean, if you took away their creative process and replaced it with this.

Does that child have a lesser "life-experience?" Or not?

What about you?

refsab•6m ago
But I'm not taking it away. I'm adding to it. I'm also writing my own stories. My post marketed it the wrong way I think. I'm suddenly getting a lot of hate mail in my inbox.

What it really is is a kind of choose your own adventure. You can be 6 years old and write stories and then an hour later play a choose-your-own-adventure game and no one would find that weird

DC-3•26m ago
Why would you want to write fiction with language models? Serious question.

What you would become, in effect, is the fictional Soviet 'writer' from Sam Kriss' 2011 short story 'The Machine'.

https://samkriss.com/2011/10/01/the-machine/

I do not think there is anything to aspire to in that.

refsab•23m ago
It's a form of low tech holodeck. You write the stories you want to read. I love these vintage pulp detective novels but no one writes them anymore so I write them myself for myself, and a few of my fellow weirdos on weird discords.
DC-3•17m ago
I suppose I am sympathetic to the feeling of having weird tastes uncatered to by the market. But in that instance, why not actually try and write such stories yourself? And as a reader, what is the appeal of reading stories regurgitated by a stochastic algorithm when the possibility is there instead of connecting to another human soul?
refsab•12m ago
Oh I do. They are just utter garbage but that's beside the point.

This caters to a different lets say need.

Like I said in another post it's more like low tech holodeck or maybe create your own adventure. Where the story evolves based on simple directives

DC-3•3m ago
> They are just utter garbage

As someone once said, "Fail again. Fail better."

And, anyway, so what if they are bad? They are authentically the product of a single human soul rather than some grey-gruel average of millions. There is an awful lot of value in that.

j4cobgarby•25m ago
I assume the several comments complementing the style of this app are being sarcastic, because.. come on..
refsab•22m ago
My god. I'm getting anxiety. I shouldn't have posted this
pbowyer•18m ago
I like seeing what people create, and you've created something with some interesting features, particularly around the path map and keeping all drafts. I'm forever duplicating a paragraph and rewording it 6 or 7 times, then deleting the rest - and the next day think "no try #2 was better than the one I kept".

Ignore the haters, they're a HN rite of passage. Good luck with your writing!

greenie_beans•23m ago
i just use track changes for that + a "trash" doc, or an entirely new story if it needs more space, but go off.

i also made an app for my writing process and quickly realized it was a distraction from the actual work of writing

refsab•22m ago
Explain please?
refsab•20m ago
Saw your edit. Yeah I had that too. But I wanted something more ai driven because I'm not a trash writer. I want that lowtech holodeck feel where I tell the model to take the story and it writes a chapter for me. Plus wanted to keep branching trees of different versions
greenie_beans•17m ago
sorry i'm a writer who edits... this project is genuinely interesting and i'm curious to see where it goes. i would try to market it as ML instead of AI, given the current temperature of AI in publishing and writing circles. if somebody can improve upon track changes in a git-like, narrative-tree way, then that might be super useful tool!
refsab•14m ago
Yeah I noticed that my god. I regret even posting it. I'm suddenly getting a lot of weird mail I'm not used to hate like that.
pbowyer•14m ago
jtbayly•22m ago
Makes me curious. What context is sent? Whole story, including later chapters? Just up to that paragraph? Planning and character description documents? Any way to control all of that?
refsab•15m ago
Whole story up to the context limit. Then it starts dropping stuff. But I didn't want auto dropping or auto summaries like what other tools do.

I like to be strategic summarize the correct places when the context gets full.

There is a request inspector that shows everything that is sent.

I'm experimenting with prompt ordering strategies as well. this is surprisingly complext when you take into account the different model providers.

For example local models usually do a different form of prompt caching than for example openai and anthropic

crow9292•19m ago
Great UI
bennettpompi1•15m ago
This sucks. Sorry. If you can't write on your own, don't write at all. Extremely disappointed that anyone is giving this votes.
khalic•11m ago
There are some good use cases, personal fiction, etc. The issue is mostly people not disclaiming it’s AI. I can’t get mad at the tool builder. Neither can I assume the worse of every user.

That being said, I wouldn’t have published something like this because I do assume the worse.

But it’s morally wrong to assume every one lacks honesty…

Tough one

bennettpompi1•5m ago
I just fundamentally disagree with this. On one hand, sure, you can argue that there is no direct harm caused by using LLMs to generate fiction for personal consumption. But on the other hand, I feel like there is a deep spiritual deadening that arises when we no longer must engage with the works of others to find fiction that satisfies our tastes. You have niche interests? What you want to read doesn't exist in a meaningful quantity or even at all? Great! You should write it! But you should do so yourself rather than asking a computer to regress your great idea to the mean.
docheinestages•14m ago
Can we get a tool that does the opposite for the readers?
refsab•13m ago
What do you mean? Can you elaborate?
yesacs•8m ago
This is embarrassing. If you actually created this for your 'own fiction work' you've missing the entire point of writing fiction.
refsab•2m ago
Think of it as choose-your-own adventure. I marketed it the wrong way. I'm getting a lot of hate mail from real writers I wasn't building this for.
thegagne•5m ago
Hm, I want something like this, except it doesn't write for you at all, instead it helps you build out your storyline, gives you writing prompts and feedback, maybe sometimes suggests ideas if you feel stuck, helps keep your character/story bible in order and text aligned with it, and gives you encouragement and visual feedback as you go along.|

Maybe add in some different "AI reviewer" type things, one to read broadly for enjoyment and give feedback, another as an editor to fine-tune particular sections. Even with these it should provide feedback, not re-written sections.

But I love the TUI approach and keeping things simple and organized for you, so you don't have to bother with all that. Bonus if it had some nice LaTeX / epub / PDF / html reader output.

codeduck
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19m ago
AI feels like a Faustian bargain that has been struck on my behalf by others who do not know me.

"Tools" like this make me feel nothing but a profound sense of sadness and despair.

jvanderbot•14m ago
My friend was absolutely obsessed with writing character backgrounds and world setting stories using ChatGPT for a while. It took almost a year for him to come up for air and realize all the stories were effectively the same, and the hooks/tricks/twists were all very generic.

it can be addictive to tell stories with friends or world-build, so why not a 'friend'?

refsab•5m ago
Yeah that's why I spend time on discords to share. You can very quickly fall into this llm psychosis adjacent place where you just go round and round
spott•14m ago
World building, story boarding/ story arc building, etc are great uses for an LLM in fiction.
yesacs•6m ago
Sure, if you don't actually want to do the work of, you know, making something
I think we're both looking for the same improvements and I haven't found them in a writing tool yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49331036
refsab•8m ago
Yeah many are trying to solve this. It's really not easy to get the UX right. Git changes can get deep and wide

I wanted to have a simple way to navigate my story in a tree form but cli is really not great in displaying those. Lazygit is the best imo but still not great. WebUIs are not really better

Looms seem to work a bit better, which is also what 1667 is based on. But still I don't know needs work

https://cyborgism.wiki/hypha/loom