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Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit

https://9to5mac.com/2026/08/31/apple-openai-forensic-macbook-evidence/
37•colinprince•51m ago

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xvxvx•29m ago
Reminds me of the story of an ex-Coca-Cola employee who offered to sell the secret recipe to Pepsi. Pepsi immediately let Coca-Cola know and it was handled. Not a good look for OpenAI. They come off as desperate and unprofessional.
jmclnx•20m ago
Not really OpenAI but today's society. I say this started with the "just do it and ask for forgiveness later" attitude that started maybe 20 or 30 years ago.

At one time most people had respect, even people at the top, now many people just do what they want. Plus most of the time they get away with it.

doodlebugging•17m ago
We can fix this by holding each other accountable. Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need.
Jtsummers•15m ago
> Peer pressure and community sanctions of bad actors will result in the changes we need.

It's been demonstrated over centuries that this is unreliable. We end up needing a third party (commonly governments) to step in and establish rules and referee behavior. We wouldn't have an EPA, FCC, SEC, or many other organizations and laws if private actors could successfully police themselves.

blitzar•12m ago
Guessing you haven't take the HR training - thats not allowed anymore.
ViktorRay•16m ago
One could make the argument that

"just do it and ask for forgiveness later"

is what the entire LLM industry is based on. They swallowed up all of society’s copyrighted texts without really asking for permission from anyone. This is just par for the course for them it seems unfortunately.

Jtsummers•19m ago
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/jul/07/marketingandpr... - I had only vague memories of this, but here's an article from the time about it.
asdff•10m ago
Funny to imagine that food scientists at these companies must have cracked these recipes decades ago, and the secrecy might now only serve as a loyalty test for the uninitiated in the food and beverage guild.
dgellow•24m ago
The claims:

- Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI;

- Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access;

- Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirmed she would comply; and

- Mr. Liu used a tool in his work at OpenAI that has the same name as an internal Apple engineering application used for Apple development work.

karim79•23m ago
Happened at a (large) company I worked for in the past. A devops guy stole the DB ahead of going to work with a rival, he was caught and the rival of course wanted nothing to do with it. I'm not sure of his fate but it couldn't have been much fun.
gyomu•15m ago
> the rival of course wanted nothing to do with it

The key difference here seems to be that OpenAI very much wants something to do with it.

blitzar•14m ago
Happens occasionally at big corporations, even the bloodsucking vampire. Best to distance yourself from such employees - lest they will do to you what they have done to others.

The difference is, relative to OpenAi they have standards and morals.

carabiner•12m ago
I wonder how many times this has happened without anyone being caught.
joshka•12m ago
> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.”

This is somewhat of a high impact argument to test. I wonder if the case will eventually get to working this point out.

pluc•5m ago
> Apple alleges that Liu ran a simulation in March using the circuit schematic file in LTspice, an electrical engineering tool. In messages from around that time, Liu said his AI “agent” learned to run LTspice and review the results.

"I didn't steal it, I fed it to an agent who then fed it back to me".

> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.

Ok I'm hooked