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Pause OpenAI Now

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/pause-openai-now
29•ForHackernews•37m ago

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andsoitis•33m ago
> Sam Altman cannot be trusted. I have been writing about that for a long time. Ronan Farrow’s reporting backs that up.

Discussion of Ronan Farrow’s New Yorker article (900+ comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47659135

dgellow•31m ago
Agreed, but not just pause. OpenAI very likely committed multiple felonies. The company should be under investigation, it’s insane that didn’t happen as soon as we learned about the hugging face hack
lrvick•16m ago
Hard agree. I skipped the YC start of batch talk with Sam Altman in large part because I do not ever want to be in the same room as that asshole if I can help it.

I am hoping we get an administration that will not accept his bribes so he can finally be held accountable for criminal negligence and fraud.

lrvick•25m ago
OpenAI and Anthropic are equally evil imo, but what bothers me more is how many tech workers actually think you need any product of either company to accelerate any engineering goals.

I just racked some consumer GPUs in my garage (6x r9700s), cranking 24/7 pumping 20M+ tokens a day towards my goals building compilers, custom operating systems, reproducible build debugging, kernel hardening, novel confidential compute tech... harder problems than anyone I know using cloud LLMs to solve.

I have still never paid for tokens AND have session privacy.

toomuchtodo•14m ago
Do you have a blog post or other documentation on how to replicate this config for self hosted inference?
Der_Einzige•10m ago
And since you're not running those GPUs efficiently at 95% utilization rates or higher to serve tokens profitably, you paid far more than the people who simply pay per token from Together AI or Fireworks AI or something. They also get ZDR/session privacy. If you're really tin-foil hatted, you can go to a TEE cloud like Alpha Compute or something which is probably safer/more secure than your own computer.

You're very right to be wanting to use open sourced models. You're delusional for thinking that buying your GPUs directly saves any money. You are not a cloud service provider, don't act like one.

lrvick•4m ago
I have the one of the cheapest private and sovereign AI solutions money can buy, and I get a good laugh whenever the big providers are down.

Also, $1200 for a GPUs that can produce ~7M tokens a day of Qwen 3.8 27b at 80tps is faster and cheaper than any major provider can serve a model of that class as far as I am aware. Pays for itself pretty fast.

_aavaa_•7m ago
So instead of paying $20 or maybe 100$ a month for the equivalent amount of output, I can spend $10k on GPUs (plus a few more thousands for related hardware), then for ongoing electricity, and then have space to store these things.

You're right people don't need the subscription, they just need a far more privileged life. One were dropping $12k instead of $20-100 a month is an equivalent financial strain.

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Der_Einzige•9m ago
Gary Marcus is perennially wrong/dangerous/stupid, AI is really good, and a pause is terrible for everyone.

Sam Altman can be a bad person (ask his sister about him!) and deserves to go down yada yada without us needing to try to kill the goose which is about to fling us into a golden age.

andsoitis•3m ago
> goose which is about to fling us into a golden age

I prefer not to be flung.

andsoitis•5m ago
> In essence, I read this essay as requesting a hall pass to let their company’s AI run amok

Disagree. Even if OpenAI didn’t exist, this problem would still exist. It is best to assume and guard against rogue AI, which is what the essay is about.

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5m ago
So you have 8K worth of GPUs in your garage, and and it bothers you that other tech workers are paying 20$ a month for access to SOTA models?

Of course we don't NEED to pay for the cloud, but my company is doing this for me and I can't quite justify spending even 4-5K on a compute cluster in my garage, as much as I would love to.

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