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Copyright does more harm than good and should be abolished

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117231186011306184
69•Cider9986•51m ago

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tristanj•26m ago
Don't fall for this. This is big tech propaganda, trying to convince you that copyright is bad so they can avoid copyright lawsuits and use everyone's data without paying licensing fees. Without copyright, they can use your data for free.
tossandthrow•22m ago
Paying license?

What small scale author receives license payments for anything they have authored from bug tech?

To me it appears that individuals and large companies benefit from copyright asymmetrically, which is the core of the argument.

palmotea•12m ago
> To me it appears that individuals and large companies benefit from copyright asymmetrically, which is the core of the argument.

The correct response to that is to fix the asymmetry, not blow the rights up entirely.

Quoth the OP:

> It doesn't protect the livelihood of individuals and small businesses in practice. Instead, it's a weapon wielded by large corporations to protect their monopolies.

Post Citizens United, you could say the same thing about free speech. Does the OP want to abolish that, too?

mcv•4m ago
This is true, but is it unique to copyright? Don't large companies benefit asymmetrically from most things?
kolinko•21m ago
Ad hominem?

Also it's big tech (MS, Amazon) that is against this more than anyone.

derkades•15m ago
I agree with you, but unfortunately it seems big tech can already scrape people's data without permission and without paying license fees.
Retro_Dev•10m ago
"can" is different from "do" - they do scrape our data without permission, but it doesn't mean they can (are morally correct in doing so)
OtomotO•22m ago
Copyright isn't, patents in their current form are though.
VBprogrammer•16m ago
This is a completely pointless debate, because even if it's true the people who currently be benefit from copyright have far more money, power and influence than any rational argument against it.
Sha1rholder•10m ago
This is a even more pointless debate, because the largest-scale trampling of copyright in human history has produced several of today's hottest tech companies.
stavros•3m ago
And now the money scale has tipped towards the people who are inconvenienced by copyright.
intended•15m ago
Not disagreeing with the post- wouldn’t this come under the category of “everything is bad for users when the corporations become too big”?
Daedren•12m ago
>It's abused to take down content that's not in violation of copyright

That's a problem with DMCA in that it's applicable in an immediate and unilateral manner and any decision to resist comes after the takedown. DMCA is the problem in this context, not "copyright" itself.

Ekaros•9m ago
The real problem is that misuse is not followed by ruinously high penalty. False claims should result in statutory damages of tens thousands per claim. That is the way to prevent misuse.
bruce511•11m ago
"Copyright" covers a lot of areas, from films to books to software etc. So blanket statements about it are not helpful.

From the mention of LLMs I guess he means software copyright. But then refers to takedowns, which I don't see much of in the copyright space.

And possibly he's confusing copyright with patents?

For software, copyright I the only thing that protects Free Software. Without it GPL would not exist, and all GPL software could be used wherever without releasing sources.

Copyright most certainly protects small business against big business. It is the model on which most small software businesses are built.

Patents are bad, and if you replace the term "cooyright" with patent in the original article it makes more sense. But to be fair it's hard to put much credibility into a post that doesn't even understand that difference.

solatic•9m ago
You'll throw Hollywood and most of the publishing industry out of business overnight if you "abolish" copyright. Not a good idea to throw so many people out of work.

Copyright needs to be reformed, absolutely. Not abolished.

happymellon•7m ago
Hollywood was created by ignoring copyrights.
ronsor•3m ago
Hollywood was created by ignoring (Edison) patents, not copyright.

On the other hand, Disney's success is largely owed to public domain adaptations, and for a century, it did its best to shrink the public domain and expand copyright.

Aloha•7m ago
Copyright shouldn't be abolished, it should be reformed however.

It should be 20 years, with right to renew, your first 10 year renewal is free, then the cost skyrockets, with proof required that you are still using the work in commerce, and after that first term, you get a flat rate 5 year extension, then it must be renewed annually with escalating fees.

It allows the big IP places to hold on to their family jewels, but also would return a significant amount of orphaned work to public domain.

blfr•7m ago
As a Linux user of over 20 years, I really don't like thinking of myself as some Aborigine barely holding on to a scrap of ancestral land. My tech preferences have become so ubiquitous that nearly the entire Internet runs them.

In Angels in America Roy Cohn is given this line where he is so politically embedded he can simply guess stuff and be right "You don't know what all I know. I don't know what all I know. Half this shit I make up and I'm still right". I feel this way about tech now.

I don't need to worry how it works. I take a guess of how it should work and I'm usually right. Not on Windows or some other subpar platform. But can my Android play white noise on the speaker and a podcast on the headphones? While yes, of course it can. I learned that fiddling with Pulse audio years ago and now it's just expected.

someguynamedq•5m ago
It already de facto has been. Have you seen LLMs?
vintagedave•3m ago
I've published and sold my own software. I'm a writer (unpublished in terms of a novel, but I hope to use CC4 like Cory Doctorow.) I've seen my software pirated; I've benefited financially from selling it. I know authors and their struggles with income.

And I agree. Copyright in its current form does more harm than good.

Copyright was introduced to counter genuine harms: there are stories of people publishing in the UK, and having what today we'd consider pirate copies of their books selling massive quantities in the US, for example, with the author seeing no revenue. I believe anyone who puts work into creating something, physical or non-physical, should be able to derive revenue from their work. But I also believe in the public good; that 'information want stop be free' in that thoughts, ideas and stories are meant to be shared; and that in a fast-moving world long-term prevention of movement is harmful.

Further, I worry that over the most decades, 'rights' are being redefined as property rights. We consider privacy, an inalienable human right, as something for us to be paid for by Meta. This is implicitly and silently treating an inalienable essence of being human as something to be bartered away, and I think a social retreat from the concept of property rights as being anything other than localised to, well, property, would help. Reduction or abolition of copyright would be a radical positive change in a general social attitude here.

Realistically, radically adjusted copyright (3 years for software, 10 years for a book or music?) gives both an opportunity for profit and allows reasonable expiration while still relevant. In the absence of that, yes, complete abolishment would be an upheaval but a net benefit to the world.

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