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Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

https://www.marketingdive.com/news/amazon-pilots-ad-services-in-chatgpt-what-marketers-need-to-know/829945/
38•thm•48m ago

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mc32•35m ago
What a garden path of a sentence!

I’m not surprised by this, unfortunately. One can hope that it does not materially affect (bias) output.

nemomarx•17m ago
If it doesn't bias output how much would they pay for the ads? It seems like ads that also bias the output would be way more valuable.
jerf•31m ago
When ads are inevitably folded into the prompts to the AI, I imagine it'll be fun for a bit to prompt the AI to react with disgust to the idea of having to serve some ad. Until they fix that hole.

I hate that the progression is so predictable. Yeah, clearly labelled ads today. Less clearly labelled tomorrow. Then they'll be indistinguishable from the text of the AI but still separate. Then they'll start folding it in to the AI prompts. Then they'll start folding it in at the training phase so the weights themselves drive you towards Thinking Ford First, this step being inevitable because it almost certainly will be by far the most effective of all of these techniques. Opus 7.2 Brought To You By Mountain Dew. Just a coincidence that every time you ask it to build an authorization system it writes code to ensure that the user has drunk a verification can, and is just incompetent at removing that code for some reason.

Sigh.

Enjoy this era of AI, folks, while the AIs are still developing too quickly for enshittification to catch up properly and the market and indeed the National Interest won't let anyone slow down so it can. But it will. It is inevitable. Make sure to at least keep a toe dipped in the open weights AIs, and any future truly open source AIs that develop.

denverllc•27m ago
Right now it’s only for the free tier, but given the recent trends I imagine it will make its way to paid tiers.

Just consider how even paid streaming services are bringing in ads, or how TVs were caught using ACR to spy on us.

yccs27•11m ago
Paid tier just means you're a more lucrative ad target.
simianwords•22m ago
nah this will never happen. do you really think they will do post training based on who pays them more?
avereveard•18m ago
No but non enterprise users will receive injected prompts.

See how emany streaming now created a plus plus version while adding ads to what was the premium version.

And the funny thing they just needed to increase base rates for users to start to ask for an ads supported version.

AlexandrB•16m ago
Absolutely they will. It might be "innocent" at first - "oh we don't want ChatGPT to recommend scam products so we will train it to prefer "trusted" brands" and then inclusion in "trusted brands" will go up for sale with the final stage being outright paid-for recommendation bias for specific products.

The only question is how sales will work if there's some spin up time to do the post training. You can't do a real time auction like Google does, so it will be longer-term contracts I suspect.

Edit: AI is a great opportunity to run the same protection racket that's been run in various existing "marketplaces", where a brand has to buy ad placement for searches for their own name or their competitor will be able to displace them by buying it instead: "You would't want a user asking 'Which Cambells soup flavor is the healthiest?' to get a recommendation for Lipton's would you?"

0xDEADBEEFCAFE•23m ago
Forget Amazon, ultimately this is going to dramatically alter consumer choice on a manufacturer level and OEMs won't be able to "SEO" (or whatever the equivalent ends up being) their way around it.

Users might not even notice - Will they prompt around it e.g., "Didn't Dyson used to make a hair dryer that was well reviewed?" if it isn't even recommended to them?

general_reveal•18m ago
There is no such thing as SEO. Anyways. People will pay to have their shit pushed on ChatGPT , just like all other ads.

You know, the path Christ walked down to his cruxifixction is actually littered with storefronts and merchants and ads today, hah. There’s no beating this human sin, it’s biblically fucked up. It’s the number one faith and we couldn’t even keep ads away from a Holy place.

Jesus Christ, lord have mercy. We are fallen , through and through, during your time and even in our time today. And in fact, we have been fallen since the beginning of time even, as the WORD says. Thank you for your sacrifice, because I am at aghast on how else we could possible even nibble away at the grandness of human sin.

bitmasher9•18m ago
It looks like the old saying is true. The smartest minds in all of tech are working overtime to get you to click on advertisements.
hotsauceror•8m ago
The smartest minds in all of tech worked overtime to finally give computers the ability to lie to us. Excelsior!
ppalata•8m ago
This is not meant to be tongue in cheek comment but has anybody figured out how the companies manage the "everyone is going to be replaced in a year" rhetoric while also working hard on ads that are clearly designed for humans to consume?
ryandvm•3m ago
Did anybody think this wasn't going to happen?

They weren't going to burn a couple trillion dollars of capital and lose money on every API call just so you could ask it to tell you why your cat brings you dead mice.

They're going to pump this shit so full of advertising it's not going to be funny. And worse, it's going to be incredibly subtle and insidious. You're not even going to realize the responses are guiding you into certain purchases. Just gentle, reassuring advice that you should be buying shit.

This future sucks.

simianwords•7m ago
this is FUD and I can have a bet with you that this won't happen in 3 years (or ever) [1]. post-training on specific brands is hard and affects overall accuracy, doesn't offer explainability, long cadence, no run time auction..

most importantly: there's enough competition that people would just use other models that don't do this. the kind of people who peddle this FUD are have not much theory of how markets work. Cory Doctorow has done a number on them and spread a conspiracy theory that everything is enshittified and everything gets worse. "just wait guys I'm telling you, the good days are over okkk?"

most importantly, the future will have a pareto optimal set up compared to today where you will have much better models, much cheaper and have options that are subsidised by ads.

[1] i can't eliminate some rando companies trying but not OpenAI not Anthropic.

bayindirh•10m ago
No, they'll do a live auction from multiple models during reply generation. Google has the tech already. They are an advertisement company, you know: https://research.google/blog/mechanism-design-for-large-lang...

In short:

We investigate the design of auction mechanisms for aggregating the output of multiple self-interested LLMs into one joint output. We argue that this comes with a number of unique challenges, and we propose a simple token auction mechanism and illustrate our design through demonstration with an off-the-shelf LLM.

avereveard•22m ago
This era reminded me of late 90s web culture, and it's heading the same way.