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Volkswagen Just Built an EV That Can Go Nearly 900 Miles on a Charge

https://www.motor1.com/news/808114/vw-mission-efficiency-concept-specs-photos/
23•thelastgallon•40m ago

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Avicebron•16m ago
Why don't we just build high speed electrified rail and busses. Why this rollout of electrified golf carts? My car is fast and fun to drive, that's part of it's job alongside getting me where I need to go.

If I just need to get somewhere, I want to take a clean fast train like Japan and then walk.

Lio•12m ago
Why can't an electric car be fun to drive? I have an old car I'm not planning on changing but electric cars I've drive just seem quieter, smoother and just better than ICE vehicles.
eigenspace•12m ago
Is this implication here that you think this car is an electrified golf cart? What makes you think that it wouldn't be fast or fun to drive? Most electric cars are extremely fun to drive due to their extremely high acceleration.

The development and building of newer, more efficient electric vehicles does not preclude the investment in more high speed electrified rail and busses. That complaint is a non-sequitor.

noir_lord•11m ago
More and more buses in my local mass transit system have moved to EV's (these specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_GB_Kite) as they age out their older buses and build out the infrastructure they needed.

I like them, they are smoother and quieter than the ones they replaced (in fairness that was the oldest diesel buses mostly), I don't like the new on board announcement "Next stop <X>, You are at <X>" style but that's because I'm not partially sighted/blind and it's a small price for making life a lot easier for those folks (and headphones exist).

oklahomasports•9m ago
How on earth would that work in Houston? Why on earth would people want to arrive at any destination soaked in sweat? Everyday on here someone makes a tendentious post about the viability of public transit.
eigenspace•4m ago
What does that have to do with being soaked in sweat? I could understand if they suggested everyone get around by bike, but this is just silly.

Electric busses and trains can have quite powerful and good air conditioning systems.

The problem with this in Houston is the disgracefully stupid urban layout that makes it very hard to effectively serve the city with public transit.

swiftcoder•6m ago
> electrified golf carts

I'm not clear how something that ran up to 138 kmph (85 mph) during an (intentionally low-speed) efficiency test, would be equivalent to a golf cart?

bryanlarsen•16m ago
That's 9 miles/kWh, compared to the Cybercab's 6.1 miles/kWh, compared to a typical EV at 3-4 miles/kWh.

Part of the difference may come from using the easier WLTP testing cycle than the EPA cycle the Cybercab probably uses, but only part.

serf•10m ago
what do you call a dieselgate for ev? hmm

coool interior and aero. all of the hyper efficient designs end up looking like the modern prius designs with the swan tail rear and hawk-beak nose.

klooney•14m ago
Bring back wheel covers!
swiftcoder•13m ago
Sign me up for all of these innovations in an actual production car. No idea why the whole market seems to be obsessed with ever-wider SUVs...
glimshe•8m ago
Because they are very comfortable. I'm not saying people should be obsessed about them, but that's part of why they are paying premiums for SUVs. Driving higher on the road on a wide car has a strong appeal for most people.
helsinkiandrew•12m ago
Perhaps better info on VWs own press release:

https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/missio...

This is concept car that has no planned release date.

bryanlarsen•5m ago
Waymo should call up Volkswagen and place an order to ensure it goes into production.

Waymo should have a mixed fleet of 2 adult passenger vehicles like this one, 4-5 passenger models as well as some vans. It'll save them a lot of money, and will make streets safer by normalizing small vehicles.

tromp•10m ago
> Volkswagen just build the world's most aerodynamic road car ever.

A drag coefficient of 0.158 is not quite setting a record. Aptera's road-legal car has a coefficient of only 0.13, while achieved a drag coefficient of 0.144 with the Aero Challenge concept car [1] (but it's not clear whether that vehicle is road-legal, or even what it looks like).

[1] https://www.azernews.az/region/245135.html

BugsJustFindMe•9m ago
And with barely three millimeters of clearance you can effectively sweep the roads while you drive! Wake us up when it can safely navigate a speed bump without bottoming out.
lorey•9m ago
They did something very similar 20+ years ago called XL1 to achieve 1l/100km, never made it into production. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_XL1
ketzu•6m ago
Based on the battery of 55kWh this is about efficiency, not packing more batteries:

> 6.48 kWh/100 km

At a constant 68km/h in perfect conditions (no up/down) and no additional consumers of energy (climate control).

Even on a real route they apparently got some useful stats with 7.51 kWh/100km including charging. Cool.

My car is around 17-20 kWh/100km at a 64kWh battery for a medium cost car in germany. I wish it was even close to that efficiency.

crote•6m ago
China has already solved the range problem by speeding up charging. When you can recharge 5 hours of highway driving in range during a 5-minute bathroom stop, an additional few hundred miles just isn't that useful anymore.

You could also go the other way and use the improved range to shrink the battery, but with the ongoing battery cost drop that's not exactly a gamechanger either - and fast-charging long-range Chinese EVs are available for their domestic market for a fraction of the cost of entry-level Western models as well...

Don't get me wrong, improving aerodynamics is a nice goal, but with the ongoing push towards gigantic SUVs there's zero chance anything even remotely resembling this concept car will ever see the light of day.

toomuchtodo•4m ago
I strongly believe these announcements are simply performance art for the capital markets to keep the share price higher than fundamentals would dictate.

Great, you've designed and prototyped the vehicle. When will they be built at the rate BYD and other Chinese automakers are building EVs? Until then, it's vaporware.

philipallstar•6m ago
This just makes the Tesla Model S P90D, from 14 years ago, just look even better. 509km range (in the lab) and incredible acceleration, and looks pretty normal and practical. And it doesn't make you bring your own phone and bluetooth speaker for infotainment.
fullshark•5m ago
Maybe they learned from their blunder with the ID Buzz. At this point though I simply don't trust any legacy automaker when it comes to producing and supporting EVs for their lifetime.
fredley•5m ago
What do you do when your rear tyre gets a flat?
jrmg•5m ago
Shape reminds me a lot of the first gen Honda Insight - also built to be low drag.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Insight#First_generation...

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