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German companies rely almost exclusively on AI models and services from the USA

https://www.heise.de/en/news/US-AI-dominates-companies-China-models-hardly-used-EU-AI-plays-no-role-11446969.html
12•raincole•58m ago

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raincole•58m ago
Title is edited as the original title buries the "German" part.
bilekas•50m ago
Isn't it applicable to all EU companies though?
raincole•7m ago
It obviously is applicable to all companies outside China, but the article is about German companies.
riedel•14m ago
Actually the German title of the aricle reads: > China's open-weight models do not yet play a significant role

We have long accepted the fact that EU plays no role I guess

dark-star•46m ago
I mean what other competitively similar AI models are there? DeepSeek is nowhere near. Are there others?
rurban•5m ago
Local DeepSeek, qwen or kimi models are far better privacy-wise, faster, but much more expensive (to get a 2TB GPU RAM cluster). So everybody went with the Claude, OpenAI or CoPilot business contracts, so their secret business data leaves the EU, but will not be used to train the model. Unlike with the cloud Chinese services.
beernet•5m ago
The short answer is No.

There are "sovereign" clouds like StackIT, OVH, OTC or Scaleway. What they all have in common is that they are lightyears behind hyperscalers in terms of performance, reliability and security. Needless to say, these alternatives can only serve open-source models because they are not capable of training a SOTA equivalent by themselves. The cherry on top is that you have to pay a sovereignty premium for inferior performance.

WarmWash•38m ago
Sounds like primetime to bring charges against the labs with multibillion dollar fines, to force them to create a domestic lab with SOTA model development for Europeans.

You know, anything but create fertile business conditions.

mainecoder•36m ago
If there was a good EU alternative it may have been used but Mistral was out of the game a long time ago now that does not mean they will close down or will not be profitable so long as they work on regulation and other things like ethics and how good they are for the environment etc some may choose them.
ndom91•4m ago
You don't say?! :joy:

This applies to pretty much everyone who isn't the US/China, no? I guess Russia also has a good amount of home grown web services (Yandex, Wildberries, etc), but not much in the AI space that I'm aware of.

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