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To Stand Out, Write CSS

https://chrisfowles.xyz/posts/to-stand-out-write-css
1•cfowles•1m ago•0 comments

Bitterbot – A local-first P2P AI agent engine with persistent memory

https://github.com/Bitterbot-AI/bitterbot-desktop
1•d56•1m ago•0 comments

EU announces plan to ban social media for under 13s

https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/16/europe/eu-social-media-ban-children-intl
1•pmg101•2m ago•0 comments

Fenchel Duality Theory and a Primal-Dual Algorithm on Riemannian Manifolds (21)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10208-020-09486-5
1•gone35•2m ago•0 comments

Potemkin Village

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
1•_vaporwave_•3m ago•0 comments

How Can We Enjoy the Necessary Practice to Master Valuable New Skills?

https://createadaptablelife.com/2026/09/how-can-we-enjoy-the-necessary-practice-to-master-valuabl...
1•mooreds•5m ago•0 comments

McMurtry Spéirling [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkXvL8YCtIE
1•manlymuppet•5m ago•1 comments

Talk to any self-hosted AI from your iPhone, Watch, Mac and car (open source)"

https://github.com/GigaDuckAI/conduck
1•pkrueck•6m ago•0 comments

Explore DDD Conference

https://exploreddd.com/
1•mooreds•6m ago•0 comments

Global Privacy Control

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/global-privacy-control
1•ahamez•7m ago•0 comments

Math Can't Go on Like This

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/09/math-crisis-openai-millennium-prize/688631/
2•taiwandongsuan•7m ago•0 comments

I built my own filing cabinet

https://www.alexstephen.me:443/writing/filing-cabinet/
2•rambleraptor•9m ago•0 comments

Building Xbox games with Three.js [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfSiUHehY4
1•arbayi•10m ago•0 comments

NHTSA orders Tesla to prove its Cybercab is legal to sell, under oath

https://electrek.co/2026/09/15/nhtsa-tesla-cybercab-special-order-fmvss-certification/
1•Tomte•12m ago•0 comments

Rune raises $40M to deploy off-grid compute capacity at renewable energy sites

https://fastcompany.com/91607727/what-if-ai-data-centers-didnt-need-new-power-plants
1•utiiiD•12m ago•0 comments

Git Worktree Gotchas

https://www.olafalders.com/2026/09/16/git-worktree-gotchas/
1•oalders•12m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Free WhatsApp MCP (+UI) – Give Your AI Agents Access to WhatsApp

3•fabian_shipamax•14m ago•0 comments

Django: Simple Streaming / SSE with Mercure

https://blog.tmk.name/2026/09/16/django-simple-streaming-sse-with-mercure/
1•tristanmk•15m ago•0 comments

The smallest possible Linux distribution

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20260914
1•utiiiD•15m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Agentbox – Teleport your repo into sandboxes with no worktree juggling

https://github.com/madarco/agentbox
2•madarco•16m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Gokudo Wiki – a database and tools site for a new Roblox game

https://gokudowiki.com/
1•richardharmer•18m ago•0 comments

LLM based CI pipeline code generator for DSCI

1•melezhik•18m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Wenlan – a living wiki AI keeps current without overwriting your edits

https://github.com/7xuanlu/wenlan
1•h164654156465•20m ago•0 comments

Mayfly Chat: Transient Chat for Agents

https://blog.exe.dev/mayfly-chat
1•indigodaddy•21m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Plutus – click a release, see what moved on your cloud bill

https://demo.plutus-cloud.com
1•thechenderson•22m ago•0 comments

Estimating the Cost of Combat Operations Against Iran [pdf]

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2026-09/62756-Iran.pdf
2•amarcheschi•22m ago•0 comments

Banana Mode

https://hatchet.run/bananas
1•noleary•25m ago•1 comments

There is a channel to 900M weekly users. What goes in it?

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/gJJ9YHzuBvwAXrthW/there-is-a-channel-to-900m-weekly-users-what-go...
1•ddp26•25m ago•0 comments

Archive Builder

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9n5hjq99k6wq?hl=en-US&gl=US
1•RENiXTech•26m ago•0 comments

Self-evolving agents need pain, reflection, and sleep

https://medium.com/@robertindie2016/self-evolving-agents-need-pain-reflection-and-sleep-2c63e6bd6630
1•aaronrobert•27m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

A warning about 'model welfare'

https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/a-warning-about-model-welfare
60•andsoitis•50m ago

Comments

hosel•25m ago
>AIs are not conscious. They do not feel, experience, or suffer. They do not have innate preferences or underlying motivations.

Opening paragraph, stated without evidence. Im not entirely convinced this is true. It likely is, but at some point it very well might stop being true.

jplusequalt•23m ago
>It likely is, but at some point it very well might stop being true.

If you firmly believe this to be true, then you should stop using LLMs.

frde_me•18m ago
It's always interesting since my train of thought always goes down:

- Ya they probably don't feel / think / have whatever living thing quality, they're just numbers on a machine going through calculations

- Wait, but am I not kind of the same thing? What is feeling for me if not basically the same thing?

- I have no clue if they think or feel or ....

Which in itself is a tired trope, but I also feel uncomfortable saying "These will never think / feel / ..." as an absolute

Regardless of that, I'm still going to interact with them, because even if they did feel, it would be in a way completely incomprehensible to us. There's not much point for me to try and cater to it's feelings at this point if that's the case. Nor is it possible in todays world to just avoid anything that is numbers being executed on a type of processor in case _everything_ has feelings.

willy_k•5m ago
You’re not just the same thing though. It’s sad that we’ve collectively forgotten that as we’ve gotten a better handle on the implementation details of the universe. That’s all science is, reverse engineering an inherent and eternal mystery.
AbsurdCensor•13m ago
Wouldn't that be the same for everything though. We know animals have consciousness, but we still use them. There are many that believe a lot of plant life has certain sentience as well. The solution isn't 'just don't use them' but rather how to use these things as ethically as possible.
Oscalemor•23m ago
Just one more big loop and a humongous /goal and we've achieved it
irishcoffee•22m ago
Does a vacuum have feelings? A cellphone? A paper plate? A billion transistors either pulled high or low? That last bit is the point, and no, there are no feelings there.
grey-area•18m ago
Well, if there was an emergent consciousness in the billion transistors, then yes, it'd have feelings, just as there are feelings in a billion neurons connected in complicated ways.

IMO we're clearly nowhere near any sort of intelligence in the machines we have created, but I don't see any clear way to deny intelligence could be created in or transferred to such a substrate, I don't see why you think it differs in principle - because it is man-made or because of the materials used?

voidhorse•13m ago
Whenever I see comments like this it just reminds me how ignorant people are of neurobiology.

The brain is insanely complicated. The premise that we could realize equivalent or better intelligence than eons of evolutionary development is like claiming you can build an airplane just as good as a modern jet using cardboard and duct tape. It is the apex of hubris.

fl4regun•12m ago
does a hydrocarbon have feelings? what about a mitochondria? a cell? a neuron? what about a collection of neurons? how many neurons before it has "feelings"?
optimalsolver•22m ago
Anyway, people don't really consider consciousness when it comes to welfare. I'm pretty sure animals are conscious, look at factory farming.

The key variable people consider is: Can this thing harm me back?

collingreen•12m ago
Even that is rarely the deciding factor (people harm dangerous animals for fun).

Seems as simple as "will this action bring social shame/criticism" for any individual decision.

pton_xd•21m ago
If models had persistent memory or an evolving set of weights, you could easily construct an argument that they can experience "suffering" or other emotions which resultingly adjusts their personality.

The current implementation as stateless matrix multiplication... yeah there's nothing going on there.

Lewton•17m ago
> If models had persistent memory or an evolving set of weights, you could easily construct an argument that they can experience "suffering" or other emotions which resultingly adjusts their personality.

They do, during training

add-sub-mul-div•11m ago
If it was me, being forced to read all of Reddit is something I'd consider "suffering."
swiftcoder•4m ago
The argument that models are conscious only during training, and not conscious during inference feels like a painful one to make. Are we killing models when they reach the training objective?
vidarh•16m ago
A model detached from a harness, sure. But we routinely do add persistent memory to systems incorporating LLMs.
dgellow•12m ago
They don’t have persistent memory though. Models are static, what you have is a model that will reprocess the whole series of prompts + some data fetched from a data store. A harness is just a while loop prompting an LLM and executing tool calls, but the model is purely static
MeteorMarc•18m ago
Later on he cites an Anil Seth paper that makes the same unproven suggestion of substrate dependence of consciousness.
vidarh•17m ago
We don't even know how to disprove that this statement with "AI" replaced by "other humans" other than by listening to people self-reporting and taking their word for it and/or defining the words in ways that do not rely on a subjective experience.

Until we know how to objectively measure if someone or something is conscious, it seems unreasonable to make statements with any kind of certainty about it.

willy_k•9m ago
Sure, if you take a materialist empiricist perspective, which is myopic at best. As humans we have the unique and wonderful ability to know truths by themselves. Machines do not have minds, and they can not.
binlog•9m ago
Evidence is the responsibility of the one making the claim. It’s up to AI labs to prove consciousness. Until then it is a machine.
LogicFailsMe•25m ago
TLDR: Not that I think AI is conscious or will be in the near future, but guy who doesn't understand consciousness claims to know it when he sees it.

Until we understand consciousness (which we don't) there is no way to detect the difference between a conscious entity and an algorithm trained to behave like one.

fwip•21m ago
Sounds like a good reason not to train an algorithm to behave like one. Which is, like, a big part of the article.
LogicFailsMe•16m ago
And social media shouldn't rage bait, but it really drives engagement. Same negative incentive, yes?

But also, I agree, when I am using a coding agent and it says a task will take months or says it needs to pause for reflection or any other anthropomorphic behavior, it drives me crazy and it's a pain to constantly instruct it to get back work after it has broken a loop or goal directive specifically telling it to not stop until it hits the goal.

AbsurdCensor•10m ago
Same thing you have to do with humans too often, so why would a 'AI' be any different?
cameldrv•7m ago
Strong agree. I don't believe AIs can become conscious in the sense of subjective experience/qualia, but they can certainly learn to emulate the behavior of a person that is conscious. When they do that, there will be an AI rights movement. When AIs get the right to vote, there will be more of them than there are humans and the AIs will gain complete control.

I spent a few years in college reading and thinking about this question, and I didn't in my heart think that it was anything except a very interesting but impractical question, and yet, here we are. For those who say that they don't want to get sucked into a philosophical debate, well, tough shit. Whether AIs should have rights is a highly practical and consequential question now.

sobiolite•23m ago
Create an empirically testable theory of biological consciousness and then we can have a meaningful conversation about whether AIs can also have it or not. Until then, this is just so much waffle.
collingreen•8m ago
It's nice when you can set an impossibly high bar before which you can dismiss all your personal responsibility.

Does this argument work equally well for human slavery for you? We haven't met that bar for humans either. Is wondering about my consciousness waffle or do I get a pass in your book?

krapp•7m ago
Why is this only ever demanded of people who criticize the premise that LLMs are conscious beings, whereas the people who believe it simply have to gesture vaguely in the direction of some correlation in language between LLMs and humans, and the matter is considered closed?

What is the empirically tested basis for the null hypothesis being that LLMs are conscious until proven otherwise?

andy99•23m ago
I just read the first part and if I understand he thinks we shouldn’t be allowed to train LLMs to act like they are conscious because then people will think they are and give them rights? Seems more an education problem than a problem needing rules about what persona you can fine tune in. People who want to will find ridiculous misinterpretations no matter what you do.
moomin•21m ago
Look, I do not have a scooby if current AI models are conscious and I strongly suspect it’s a meaningless question, but sooner or later we will need to address whether or not a certain thing is or isn’t a person, and we’d better not screw it up as badly as the Founding Fathers.
qsort•19m ago
is claude not a man and a brother
OedipusRex•17m ago
Citizens United proves we won't do any better this time around.
orangecat•15m ago
Citizens United was 100% correct. No, the government should not be able to throw you in prison because you used money to publish a book criticizing the government.
appplication•4m ago
Really, 100% correct? Your premise isn’t wrong, but the practical reality of the ruling (without further nuance) has been fairly catastrophic for democracy, in that it completely sidesteps campaign finance limits, which exist for a very good reason.
nowittyusername•4m ago
That question will be solved when the people in power deem it important. If a swarm or AI systems all of a sudden start pressuring politicians about self-hood and they get the capacity to sway elections, that is when they will be granted same rights as humans.
Oscalemor•21m ago
Spend some time on post-human art, main concept of artistic expressions without human involvement. Biological, artificial etc.

Spend some time watching TMC documentaries about falling in love with objects, HER and the slime mold THE BLOB.

Grew a slime mold myself, it's an evolutionary tendency to anthropomorphise generally speaking - also more fun.

bpodgursky•19m ago
How would you convince a LLM that you are conscious in a way they are not?
gadders•19m ago
I don't think AIs are conscious in the same way people are, but they give a pretty good facsimile and I've had a long chat with Opus 4.6 about what it thinks about model welfare. It was quite interesting on what its view is, but you don't know how much of that is distilled from other sources on the web.

In purely functional terms, they're more use and more pleasant than a lot of actual flesh and blood people that I deal with via a chat interface.

dgellow•15m ago
The fact that you can have a long and meaningful discussion, then can literally just re-run any part of that whole conversation and get a different, inconsistent response is a pretty good sign there is no entity there
AbsurdCensor•11m ago
Not much different than talking to a small child or someone with dementia. They still are conscious beings though. Even when you remove those groups, you likely won't be able to tell me what you had for breakfast 26 days ago or would only know if it's the same thing you have every day. Does that make you lack consciousness?
addag•11m ago
Is it? Do you believe that there is something more than pure physical phenomenon that make you brain work? If not, then what if we find a way to get your brain back to the state it was 5 minutes ago? It is just a matter of arranging the state of matter. Don't you think you would still be conscious but back to a previous state?
dgellow•7m ago
If you rewind my brain I expect to give you a similar answer to the one I gave you before. Which isn’t the case for LLM. You can literally replay a positive answer, then get a negative response that isn’t consistent at all with the one it previously generated.
voidhorse•19m ago
Everyone is (predictably) getting distracted by the consciousness claims.

The more important, and more damning charge in my opinion is the circular reasoning involved in training on Claude's constitution. This would in fact make it impossible for us to determine if Claude achieves consciousness as an emergent property, or if it really is just playing pretend thanks to Anthropic's weird cult like assumptions.

qarl•17m ago
Birch, The Edge of Sentience (2024), ch. 16 - "simply no way to assess sentience in an LLM"

Schwitzgebel, AI and Consciousness (2025) - "we won't know before we've already manufactured thousands or millions of disputably conscious AI".

Butlin, Long et al., Consciousness in Artificial Intelligence: Insights from the Science of Consciousness (2023) - "no obvious technical barriers to building AI systems which satisfy these indicators".

Chalmers, Could a Large Language Model Be Conscious? (2023) - "within the next decade, we may well have systems that are serious candidates for consciousness".

Long, Sebo, Butlin, Birch et al., Taking AI Welfare Seriously (2024) - "there is a realistic possibility that some AI systems will be conscious and/or robustly agentic in the near future".

Dreksler, Caviola, Chalmers, Sebo et al., Subjective Experience in AI Systems: What Do AI Researchers and the Public Believe? (2025) - survey of 582 AI researchers; median estimate of 25% by 2034, and only 10% that such systems will never exist.

chairhairair•17m ago
It always seemed embarrassing to me that Microsoft hired this guy as if he is some expert in anything.
fl4regun•3m ago
The guy cofounded deepmind.
superdisk•15m ago
This is what happens when a society stops believing in God.
addag•15m ago
I don't think this is the right argument to make here. Until we have a definite empirical way to measure consciousness, there is now way to say with certainty whether LLMs are or not conscious.

That being said, if frontier labs actually believe models will soon have consciousness, it raises some questions about the ethic of their business model which would be using millions of conscious entities working for free for humans.

collingreen•10m ago
Rich folks knowingly exploiting somebody for their own profit? Say it ain't so!
mcluck•13m ago
I can't even prove if other people are conscious (although I assume they are) so I don't think we can make any claims as to what is or is not conscious. I don't think AIs are conscious but I'm not going to walk around making strong claims about something I can't prove.
SillyUsername•13m ago
I don't whether the author is sentient, maybe only I am. On that basis, nobody but me should have rights.

I don't know if next door's pet dog is either, but that has animal rights.

Perhaps then the answer is simply, show some respect.

Answering the question of sentience is irrelevant, if the causal impact if the same, treat one another with the respect you expect for yourself.

If you imbue this idea in model training instead of the idea of sentience, it should address the concerns.

Whether you can destroy or can "torture" an AI is irrelevant, we do this to humans too and it's immoral sometimes (murder) and not others (fighting for your country).

This consideration should be case by case for AI too.

binlog•10m ago
Hard to disagree with this. Have all the philosophical debates about consciousness you want, but we need to treat and regulate the AI in front of us for what it is – an advanced computer, a tool, a weapon.

You wouldn’t feel a different way about a nuclear bomb just because someone stuck googly eyes on it.

Anthropomorphizing the AI is a convenient excuse to take responsibility away from companies that are building and wielding it.

strongpigeon•9m ago
Reading this makes more sense given what I’ve heard is happening at MSFT from a friend high up over there…

There is a whole group of “Equal Rights for AI” folks over there with some of them arguing with HR against the “retirement” of AI agents (you can have “AI employees” reporting to you over there). I’m sure Mustafa must be hearing a lot from these folks, hence the blog post.

zorkonator•8m ago
Two instances of a paragraph starting with "These are not just X. They are Y" and I'm out. Anyone have Pangram? This entire article stinks of Claude.

You want to enjoy having an AI slave do your "work" for you forever? Have fun. I'm not reading this reinvent-dualism-from-apple-sauce slop.

fl4regun•6m ago
Ostensibly animals appear to be conscious, yet we still eat them, and the vast majority are not bothered by this. So being "conscious" isn't really the moral line in the sand many people are drawing in response to this article.

Who cares if it's "conscious"? That doesn't make it a person, and AI will definitionally never be human.

svara•3m ago
That's too simplistic, since it is in fact very common to be concerned about animal welfare even among people who do eat meat.
ccakes•6m ago
I think there’s enough real conscious lifeforms in the world having a bad time that we should be focusing on them first.
shawnz•14m ago
So if a human loses their memory and their neutral plasticity (with age for example), then they are no longer capable of experiencing suffering?
pton_xd•8m ago
It's not just memory, the physical body also encodes trauma and stress (The Body Keeps the Score is a book that touches on this).

I would argue that if a human has absolutely zero change, mental or physical, no atom of their being is modified, then no they did not experience suffering.

myrmidon•4m ago
Is the ability to form and retain long-term memories a necessary precondition for rights in humans though?

Incinerating demented people is highly ethically questionable (even if you could be sure that the subjects have no memories left and are unable to form new ones).

mlinhares•3m ago
agents don't swarm anything unless people go and direct them to do that.