How could those innocent employees have predicted that helping to build out a surveillance state would make them unpopular?
SoftTalker•13m ago
I'm actually surprised. The usual thing is that people don't care, or think "I have nothing to hide" and just go on with their lives. That's mostly been the case with online surveillance, tracking, etc. done by Google, Meta, and the ad industry.
For some reason, Flock became a rallying point on both the left and the right.
beepbopboopp•7m ago
This ones easy, it's because the other ones provide a service people generally want, so the faustian bargain is always "Ill give you this thing I dont want to as long as you keep providing the thing I like."
Flock provides nothing direct to the consumer which means this is going to get worse and Id stake a wager they rebrand after raising their next huge round.
bicx•6m ago
I think Google/Meta surveillance just feels like something painless, benign, and invisible. You couldn’t see a reason a huge corporation would really want to target you or put you in danger. With Flock, your local law enforcement has access, and that feels like a much more real threat (warrantless tracking of your real-world activity with the ability to ruin your day/life), not to mention how it’s already been abused to track exes of officers and that it had be easily hacked.
taormina•5m ago
It's like nobody, left or right, wanted for or consented to the surveillance state. Nothing like shoving the biggest, dumbest camera you can find in everyone's face to rub it all in. Obviously, the surveillance state is part and parcel post-9/11, but it's too easy to ignore the tech nerds when they talk about abstract things like "privacy" and "abusing the system". Then we get visible things for them to rally against like Flock.
Retr0id•4m ago
The bipartisan nature isn't that surprising, given that surveillance is more of an authoritarianism vs libertarianism issue i.e. orthogonal to left vs right (in an oversimplified kinda way).
jsrozner•17m ago
Shame is the best driver of social change (see, e.g., Rob Reich's The Common Good).
Now we just need the same shame for broader surveillance capitalism (Google, Facebook, AI companies, etc).
Analemma_•8m ago
Unfortunately the selection effect here means that the remaining employees are gonna be super committed to thinking Flock is a good thing for the world, and will double-down on being defensive and angry any time Flock is challenged.
krupan•6m ago
Thankfully they will be greatly outnumbered among general society. Most humans are good people.
ticulatedspline•4m ago
It doesn't take a lot of bad people to subjugate a lot of good people.
smt88•36m ago
SoftTalker•13m ago
For some reason, Flock became a rallying point on both the left and the right.
beepbopboopp•7m ago
Flock provides nothing direct to the consumer which means this is going to get worse and Id stake a wager they rebrand after raising their next huge round.
bicx•6m ago
taormina•5m ago
Retr0id•4m ago