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Comma's hands-off driving tech under investigation after 2 fatal crashes

https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/23/commas-hands-off-driving-tech-under-investigation-after-2-fatal-crashes/
24•Brajeshwar•1h ago

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mrpippy•31m ago
Completely predictable. They’ll likely dodge a lawsuit in this case (since the car that was hit was an unoccupied police car) but it will inevitably happen.
phoronixrly•30m ago
This goes to show that any car, be it internal combustion, electric, manually operated or self-driving is still a car, and thus is still capable of inflicting death (among other negatives). The difference is still just in the frequency of deaths (and with self-driving this is still under debate).
password54321•25m ago
>This goes to show that any car, be it internal combustion, electric, manually operated or self-driving is still a car, and thus is still capable of inflicting death (among other negatives).

No shit.

>The difference is still just in the frequency of deaths (and with self-driving this is still under debate).

No, the difference is not just frequency. It is, what is the probability I would have made the same mistake. Some of these cases would very unlikely have happened by a (sober) person. Which demonstrates, that we are still dealing with incredibly jagged intelligence.

JKCalhoun•8m ago
Regardless, self-driving software can't make mistakes. Not one.

Saying that it's better than a human driver is not adequate. I think as a a society we (begrudgingly) make allowances for human error. There is zero solace for a death at the hands of an algorithm.

john_strinlai•20m ago
>Some of the crashes, including at least one of the fatal incidents, may have involved the use of “forked” or modified versions of Comma.ai’s software, according to the ODI.

i am still hesitant of tesla and similarly large players, it seems absolutely wild to me that people are using a fork of a small company's software to drive their car.

FLeXMurphy•16m ago
Should it drive someone else's car instead?
2PqboPPmKegvanx•15m ago
Pretty clearly, it shouldn't drive anyone's car.
john_strinlai•13m ago
no?
JKCalhoun•11m ago
"…may have involved the use of “forked” or modified versions of Comma.ai’s software…"

Or, it could just be scapegoating. Like blaming AI for blowing up a girl's school.

neuronexmachina•10m ago
I was curious about what various forks actually do, found a list of some here: https://commaguide.com/compare/
globular-toast•17m ago
Is it legal to operate a motor vehicle modified to such an extent on a public highway? Retrofitted self driving using, as far as I can tell, completely unregulated software seems absolutely crazy to me. Free software is a good thing, but don't run your buggy shit in a way that can hurt others.
annoyingnoob•43s ago
According to the article: Comma.ai’s own website states that the “performance” of openpilot Adaptive Cruise Control can be affected by “vehicles in the same lane that are not moving.”

Seems the AI view of the road is kind of like the game Cruis'n where the road just moves forward and you can hit things in the road and keep going. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Cruis%27n

To be honest though, I have a Ford with soke form of Blue Cruise. On the highway in certain areas it can pretty much drive itself. It is terrible in traffic, cant see more than one car ahead and slams on the brakes to stop - it freaks me out, I don't drive like that. Systems like these and seemingly Comma's do not appear to have enough information to know what to do in certain situations, it is why the Ford system is limited to certain situations (and even Ford has issues as in this article).

Maybe I'm old, I haven't been super impressed with these self-driving systems and much prefer to be in control myself.

WithinReason•16m ago
AFAIK their driver monitoring is very good and checks if you're looking at the road, so I wonder how this happened.
Arodex•1m ago
>i am still hesitant of tesla and similarly large players, it seems absolutely wild to me that people are using a fork of a small company's software to drive their car.

Of course they are. This is exactly why we have laws and regulations.

But there are always people who think they know better. George Hotz, the founder of comma.ai, is a very prominent one (despite falling flat on his face more than once). Who do you think is attracted to comma.ai?

“We’ve always been the North Korea of self-driving companies; we are driven by nobody else’s agenda. That’s not going to change.” -George Hotz

"Hotz is clearly a very capable engineer and has accomplished some impressive feats in his young life. However, listening to him speak at Techcrunch Disrupt he also comes off as incredibly arrogant even by Silicon Valley standards. The fundamental problem that I personally have with Hotz and many others in the valley is that they seem to have the idea that just because they can do something, there is no reason not to, regardless of the consequences for others."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2016/11/01/though...

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