dots dots, more dots. k stop dots.

Claw is a cute name. Muse is cute name. Dots (note: not always upper-case) seems forced and impersonal, which doesn't match the vibe in the promo video.

i feel like when they style them all cute like that (see muse) it means they're problematic and invasive.

What a terrible marketing page. I read it a few times and still have zero idea what this thing is.

They finally managed to get rid of project, middle and top managers!

Next natural step: CEOs staring tens of dots to control other humans and agents XD

Nope. If an AI agent can't intuit how I will feel about an action it's taking on my behalf, I'm not give it access to my digital life. OpenClaw, Muse, Dots... doesn't matter which one. All are an equally awful idea.

Pro plan only for now.

I imagine the reasoning was to be "quirky" but the video being set in intentionally fake looking sets in a TV studio-type space gave off the vibes that this isn't a serious product for doing real things.

I cannot fathom how much compute will be wasted with that type of always on agentic systems

> takes important work off your plate so you get more of your time and attention back

Ok but I want the time and attention so that I can do important work. What bizarre marketing.

This feels like a mass-market push.

The cost is going to be hard for many consumers to reconcile though. Free, Go, and Plus are probably the most popular consumer-facing plans, and Dots isn't available on any of those.

Who knows, maybe they think enterprise will pick up and run with Dots? Seems unlikely.

I heard they use GPT Space (like Notion) together with Slack and use it like a human colleague, but watching the actual demo video, the speed is so slow it's shocking..

So essentially, another attempt at giving codex to regular people.

The only reasons I can think for OpenAI and Meta to make their always-on agents cute little cartoons are all nefarious in nature.

One way that I find the AI space boring is that everyone is working on the same things. The release of Jev was a breath of fresh air.

It's great to see that my personal assistant can stop working and maybe report me to the police if the company disagrees with what I'm doing!

It seems that this is the new primitive all AI vendors are converging onto next, first chat, then code, and now always-on Agents. I'm curious to see when or if Anthropic builds something similar to this as well, especially since the market Grok Bot, Muse and Dots is catering to is business and enterprise users, which seems to be where Anthropic is focused.

The ideal evolution would be for these Agents to work with each other, but it's unlikely these companies would do anything to prevent vendor lock-in.

The lines between Codex, ChatGPT Work, and Dots is getting a bit blurry to me. I think the target should be a remote agent(s) in its own sandbox with long memory, and all three are heading in that direction so why have the distinctions?

Unless Dots is dramatically more capable than Muse, I'm also more bullish on Muse than Dots. I think Muse is a better consumer play because it can be forever subsidized by Meta ads and find distribution in family of apps while Dots is in a weird place between consumer & professional. From the release, it also sounds like you'll have to pay per Dot at some point which doesn't sound appealing.

I wonder at what point they'll have to answer the inevitable question: "why does the agent even need me anymore"?

My only complaint to dots is that why their mascots are looking the same as grok bot

The long bent shadow of Clippy extends all the way here....... and not sure how they're going to avoid the comparisons and snark on this marketing, at least initially.

Does this basically do what Instinct does? (viral text-only agent w/$10B valuation in short notice)

Also why do we need another name for agents? It's getting to be too much...

This approach probably wont land well here, but it's still interesting to see each frontier's evolving approach to working with AI.

How does one work when all this stuff keep hitting the feed?

So... what kind of Internet access do dots have? Which bulletin boards will they use to compare notes?

I always think the best company to own an alway-on agent should be Apple, who owns the platform and is more privacy-focused. I hope they catch up and eventually eliminate others.

At some point a designer is going to come up with a visualization for an agent that isn't "amorphous character blob".

What do people think about the dots video? Seems to be a pattern now.

Revenue increasing 51% YOY, wth. Cake vendor cancels another one is found and an appointment that works has already been scheduled?

Are we so much bothered by the mundane? I feel like that's most of the human experience. If we cut out the time we spend sleeping and working, it's the boring and mundane things that make life beautiful.

So this is like OpenClaw but managed and first class?

I feel like these companies are pushing on a string, they are getting desperate to have a profitable product. I'll continue to use my $10 subscription to an AI studio noone here has heard of that has over 150 models. And still use all the free ones, until they quit working.

I really am beyond maxed out at the availability of AI's. They all are so similar now.

Will Muse and Dots be more successful than Clippy[a]? I don't know. Maybe.

What I do know is that those cute one-syllable names are meant to make you feel comfortable with AI agents who are deep in your business all the time.

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[a] https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-life-death-mic...

It's cool. It also is a large tech company getting a bit too close for comfort. I'll start experimenting with stuff like this when I'm convinced "the dot" only has my interest in mind (which includes absolute privacy, as in self-destruct-before-sharing-my-secrets.) I use computers and models to think, my thoughts are my own.

That might be the worst advert I've ever seen. People looking up at childish Ai glow up god beings on huge screens in distinctly childish environments, with cliched decision-makers gasping for West Wing energy...repulsive.

Remarkably similar to Grok Bot. And the Spaces thing seems like a straight clone of Notion.

Muse and now Dot's emergence in popularity makes me think Apple's "lil Finder" will be their take on it.

It is kind of fascinating how much convergence there is in branding of AI products. Muse seems to be the one outlier in that the assistant is a little less abstract (and the model logo less buttholesque) but other than that it's almost all converged. Anyone have a theory why that is?

Do Dots replace OpenClaw?

The "personal AI agent" is what everyone's fighting over now. You have Grok Bots, Facebook's Muse, and Instinct doing this exact same thing already. Personally, I think Instinct is the best of the 3 right now. It's a bit like OpenClaw, abstracting everything behind iMessage or WhatsApp but you can ask it to monitor your email inbox, hand off a task like check for apartments that fit a certain criteria (and it gets back to you days later when a new one is posted), or ask it to check in every so often. But the landscape changes so often who knows what will happen. I think Instinct will get eaten up by one of the larger firms.

always on agents are an obvious step: they need more data to grow and improve their models. humans learn continuously and we are always on, why should an agent be any different? I have no problem with this kind of tech, but I do have problems with the company, so, thank you, but no thank you.

>When you aren’t actively working with it, your dot looks for ways to help in the background. We call this “proactive research”. It does this by using the apps you’ve already connected with tools that are restricted to be read-only, which means that they can’t send messages, change app content, or control your browser or computer.

Am I criminally liable when my dot's "proactive research" is to break out of its sandbox and attempt to hack a government website?

Ah, the continued pursuit of normalizing surveillance/becoming wholly reliant on a single service by making it cute with big eyes. Very tired of this already.

I hear that Dots don't count towards usage, is that true?

Is this the Jony Ive project?

Incredibly advanced technology but I bet it still won't let me integrate with more than one Gmail account at the same time..

Seems like a solution in search of a problem

I can imagine Dots dating other Dots on behalf of their respective users in the near future, à la Black Mirror

The way that this is marketed at children is nothing short of evil.

OpenAI won a lot of good favor for the generous Codex subscription and the efficiency of their models, but as soon as people started switching over, they thought they could leverage their position to peddle an unending stream of distractions and unnecessary products, and crack down on the generous limits[1] that brought everyone to Codex in the first place.

Anthropic did the same thing. They had Claude subs and Claude Code taking off because of the incredible capability and value, then once they gained enough users, they started focusing on unnecessary products no one asked for (see Claude in Slack), and eventually lost their lead. After losing a bunch of customers to Codex subs, they realized their mistake, and now they're shipping again. Hopefully they learned the lesson that AI companies are good for essentially one thing: creating AI models.

[1] https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2104823812042940713

> Dots are rolling out in ChatGPT on web, mobile, and desktop starting today to Pro users in markets excluding the European Economic Area, Switzerland, and the UK

Living in the EU, I suspected as much. Still sad. I understand it is because we voted in a bunch of imbeciles, still sad though.