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Big Tech ruined the cloud, so we're renaming ours

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2026/10/02/big-tech-ruined-the-cloud-so-were-renaming-ours/
104•2sf5•56m ago

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mococa•19m ago
Only the cloud they ruined? :-)
robbiet480•18m ago
The Verge also has an interview with Paulus about this https://www.theverge.com/tech/1003936/home-assistant-says-bi...
voidnullvalue•18m ago
Nabu Kasa keeps ignoring the elephant in the room of security and permissions. They have no native ability to set user groups and permissions. I guess it doesn't sell cloud subscriptions. I cant keep my children from affecting devices they shouldn't. I ended up replacing my automation with mqtt
alerighi•14m ago
That is something not required in a domestic setting, that is what HomeAssistant is designed for. I don't know why your children needs to have access to HA (or the internet afterall).
voidnullvalue•13m ago
Ok so i am wrong to want interface panels to control things with Home Assistant because I have kids?
peterclary•5m ago
You can choose whether to make a user an admin, and you can specify certain dashboards to be admin only. My wall panels are all logged in with a non-admin user specific to that panel, set to show only what I want anyone to access.

Some of us in the family are logged into dashboards on our phones with different users, which update depending on which room we are in.

If you want to gate access to certain functionality on a dashboard designed for a common area, you would need to route to a different dashboard upon providing some kind of authorisation, e.g. an onscreen PIN pad.

Happy to discuss.

pessimizer•9m ago
> That is something not required in a domestic setting

We didn't know you'd declared this. I hope there are temporary solutions available while your declaration is communicated to everybody else.

phoghed•8m ago
I'll send you $1 in a crypto coin of your choice if you can think of one good use case that would benefit from this
montjoy•12m ago
This is false. https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/auth_permissions/
voidnullvalue•6m ago
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/wth-no-rbac-role-based...

This thread is relevant. Their permissions system is just on entities, and isn't a real EBAC system.

hobofan•3m ago
I'm usually not one to jump quickly to that, but that's a joke of a permission system.
bitpush•17m ago
Unless they have their own data centers, they are still hosting it on top of AWS or something.

I get that they are trying to market this but it is a bit disingenuous.

adrithmetiqa•12m ago
Sadly way overpriced for what you get. You can achieve the same for free with a Cloudflare tunnel. It’s great that this service supports the development of home assistant but the pricing is just silly.
sho_hn•2m ago
I think the "supporting HA development" argument is really not a bad one. HA is so much better than anything else by such a wide margin.
nickspacek•50s ago
I didn't realize Cloudflare also offered:

* Offsite Backups * Voice control (Alexa & Google Home) * Voice Processing (STT/TTS) * Better media streaming (video/audio)

In addition to dedicated support, as part of their free Cloudflare tunnels.

Sorry for being snarky, but given the tone/point of the announcement is anti-big tech it's funny to complain that the pricing is so high compared to big tech.

For the price of a nice coffee a month you support the development and get something in exchange. Pretty good value.

yurishimo•11m ago
The post mentions bare metal so it’s possible they found a partner to collocate with in a few of the big regions globally.

Regardless, they also call out that what they offer is only an enhancement and if you use it as the only way to access your smarthome then you are not really using the software as intended.

We will see in 12 months if the migration was worth it. Nabu Casa is starting to push harder into B2C so we shall see if the product can keep up with the demand.

TwoNineA•17m ago
(H)ome (A)ssistant (L)ink.

Might as well add 9000 at the end of it.

soperj•10m ago
this is just the first iteration.
maxrmk•16m ago
What was the cloud before big tech?
a_paddy•13m ago
Someone else's computer
paimapi•15m ago
I'll wait for someone to do a network call audit before I trust something like this

I've been working on a small project running mitmproxy on a lot of 'privacy-focused' baby-tracking apps and only one of the ones I've tested doesn't send back a bevy of analytics data (none of which they openly promise to anonymize)

some of the worst culprits had things like the Facebook SDK and Google Ads installed and sending data in spite of literally promising not to generate an Ad ID and three (Baby+, Nanit, and Pregnancy+) straight up had Microsoft Clarity sending data (ie basically screen recordings and full input logs)

Jimpulse•8m ago
Which one didn't send back a ton of analytics?

Also, surprised with Nanit, Microsoft Clarity was found on the phone app?

With the whole LG fiasco I wouldn't be surprised if the camera itself was doing network fingerprinting and data collection.

ahknight•1m ago
This has been around for years. It's just a rename. The code is open source and you or anyone else can go look at it (and many have).
echelon•7m ago
We're going to take back the internet and own tech forever.

I know I have a few anti-AI haters on HN, but hear me out. I'm currently using Opus 5.5 to create 100% pure-Rust, immediate mode rendering, open source implementations of Adobe's entire suite:

https://github.com/storytold/photocraft (Photoshop)

https://github.com/storytold/vectorcraft (Illustrator)

https://github.com/storytold/filmcraft (Premiere)

https://github.com/storytold/lightcraft (Lightroom)

https://github.com/storytold/printcraft (Acrobat Pro)

https://github.com/storytold/effectcraft (After Effects)

https://github.com/storytold/designcraft (InDesign)

I got bit by the dark pattern "cancellation fee" one too many times.

AI lets us take back tech and set the clock back to the pre-shitty era.

We'll replace Google Search, we'll build our own smartphones, we'll build better infra. We'll remove all the ads and de-enshittify the entire tech world.

Big tech sowed the seeds of their own destruction with AI. It's all going to come down now that we can rebuild everything without toiling for years.

The internet is going to reset to 1990-2004 (pre-facebook / "web 2.0" era). The indie web era.

We're going to own it all.

jmward01•6m ago
Rebranding is the right thing and way over due. I honestly hadn't checked them out before but this has made me read through the site a bit. I am intrigued by their privacy claims. I will definitely be looking into them more if those claims hold up.
benabus•4m ago
I feel like Cloud means something now, and as part of the general lexicon, it's okay to use it for what it means. At this point, Cloud kind of means that it's a service hosted somewhere on the Internet, that you don't control directly, usually that you pay for. Sounds like they're still doing that.

Changing the name to distance yourself from AWS and Google Cloud is fine, but "Link" doesn't really tell you anything about where it's hosted or that you still have to pay for it. In fact, by announcing this change with the specific goal of distancing yourself from Big Tech it kind of implies that you're no longer a paid service that happens in some remote data center.

But whatevs. Words don't actually mean anything anymore anyway.

pkulak•2m ago
Guys, you don't have to use it. That's the _entire_ point. Every comment in here is some version of "But it's still a cloud". Sure. But if the entire thing can be replaced with a Tailscale free account, or a Cloudflare tunnel, or a port forward at your router (in descending order of "should you do it"), is it really the same thing? Hence the name change.
sho_hn•5m ago
What "migration"? This is just a rename.
tw04•9m ago
You’re missing the point entirely. Some other home automation platforms require a cloud/subscription to function at all. It has nothing to do with running on AWS or Azure or insert hyperscaler.

Link is completely optional and does not affect the functionality of home assistant. You can run completely offline without a subscription of any kind on your own hardware if you so choose.

micromacrofoot•6m ago
At a glance it looks like they're using OVH servers for the relays, so they're on dedicated bare metal

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