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Updates to Full Disk Access in macOS

https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=p6zjojqw
42•notfirstpost•1h ago

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post_break•41m ago
One update away to revoking Full Disk Access in the future. This commercial has come full circle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqZ8AqmLPY
lapcat•38m ago
My understanding is that Meta Muse simply opens the System Settings Full Disk Access pane, and the user has to enable it themselves using System Settings, which says, "Allow the applications below to access data like Mail, Messages, Safari..." and which requires an administrator password to change.

Thus, I'm not sure what more Apple can do here, but I'm definitely afraid of what they're going to do.

708733454927516•7m ago
"I have a bad feeling about this..."
jameskraus•32m ago
Oh no, even more permission prompts on macOS. It's already almost unusable due to the existing ones.
big_toast•31m ago
"Full Disk Access largely sidesteps these controls in order to allow backup apps to function properly on the Mac"

Huh? Seems like a disingenuous statement. I hope they update that sentence with something more accurate.

However, I've wanted much more granularity and pervasive permissions so I'm glad they're adding them.

lapcat•19m ago
> Huh? Seems like a disingenuous statement. I hope they update that sentence with something more accurate.

Right, the classic use case for FDA is Terminal app, not backups. I don't think backup apps even need FDA, because they use the Apple ASR tool that already has special permissions.

rwz•29m ago
When I give something a "Full Disk Access" permission, I expect it to have full access to what's on my disk, including "files, mail, messages, and even (gasp) browsing history"! Who are those mysterious people who expect their browsing history to be magically excluded from something called Full fucking Disk Access?
bix6•21m ago
Most people don’t know what a disk is.
moecables•24m ago
IMHO, it's good to add more specific controls for this. After reading this, I went and checked my list of app with full disk access:

- Ghostty (fine, it's my terminal)

- Alfred (fine, I use it for searching everywhere)

Then I have a few turned off:

- Spotify (why does it need full disk access) ??

- Gemini (nope, don't need it to know everything about my computer)

jonathanstrange•22m ago
If there is one thing I absolutely despise with all of my heart, then it's mega corporations patronizing their paying customers.
techscruggs•21m ago
Everyday, we get one step closer to the year of the Linux desktop.
Kim_Bruning•19m ago
Am I getting old? "full disk access" used to be something that's supposed to be normal; if you're the owner of the machine.
smith7018•14m ago
I'm sure it'll be a permission the user can toggle. So they won't be taking away the ability for apps to see all the files but they'll be adding an extra layer of security so users can choose what an app can see. They're being light on details at the moment though.
tekacs•7m ago
But this is what it is currently. At the moment, not only is it a toggle, but unlike almost all other permissions, you can't just request the permission.

You have to send the user to the system settings pane for it and have them manually toggle it on there.

It's hard to imagine how it could be more explicit than it is currently. I imagine they have something draconian planned.

pjmlp•12m ago
Only on systems without proper user management, or if the owner is logged in as the administrator.
concinds•8m ago
> Am I getting old?

I think so.

I don't know where this "ownership" debate came from. My ownership of my machine depends on strict, broad + fine grained control over what third-party devs (who are not me) get to do with my machine. Our interests are incompatible and hostile, in an era where most "native apps" ship analytics and marketing SDKs, or are videcoded. If macOS didn't offer these controls I would run every apps in a browser where it's sandboxed. This isn't the 90s.

mrkpdl•14m ago
I would like the ability to see which specific folders I have granted access to on an app by app basis. And edit. It’s not clear to me how you revoke an app’s individual folder access after you have granted it.
kccqzy•11m ago
I have been wanting this for years.

For those who haven’t heard of this, sandboxed apps can request access to a file or folder and persist such access using a security-scoped bookmark. The user however does not know whether the app chooses to persist this bookmark or not; in other words the user does not know whether in each case they are granting a one-time access or persistent access.

pkulak•11m ago
I feel like this isn't going to be a simple permission popup. Probably along the lines of getting an "unapproved" binary to run, where you have to stop what you're doing and wade through settings, trying to find the right toggle 6 nodes deep in the tree.
tekacs•9m ago
Apple, as always, seem extremely determined to make sure that they protect things on your computer from being accessed by you.

Apple Intelligence is a great example of this. Everything can funnel up to Siri, but neither you nor any other app on your computer can see what is fed to it by all of the APIs that would provide it data. So anyone who adds support for it is enabling Apple to do their usual slow broken thing with Siri and not enabling any other way you might want to use software or AI with that data.

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