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ADHD, autism or complex trauma? [pdf]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/30CC4826561366615BFAEC807CDE28A7/S0007125026108046a.pdf/adhd-autism-or-complex-trauma-the-complicated-nature-of-the-question.pdf
97•skeptical1884•1h ago

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OgsyedIE•37m ago
Because this is a technical article with nonstandard jargon, I'm going to state the most important piece of tacit knowledge that I know psychology professionals have but do not communicate to laymen (I personally came across it somewhere when reading the complete works of Eric Berne, but I can't recall exactly where).

Any apparent disorder in a person or persons has to be decomposed into the innate parts that existed prior to birth and the environmental experiences that happened afterwards as a prerequisite for any kind of theorising to give useful results instead of noise. They call this the diathesis-stress model and it's easily overlooked.

boplicity•7m ago
> the innate parts that existed prior to birth

What does this mean? Do you mean the congenital aspects of a disorder?

taurath•37m ago
Each begets the other. Trauma and abuse is in many ways (socially) hereditary but often enhanced by neurodivergence. In a brain with sensory sensitivities outside the norm, connection can be difficult (even between ND people), and from that disconnection often arises the sorts of overwhelms in both caregiver and child that make for neglect out of overwhelm or explosive situations.

Couple that with just plain generational trauma - physical punishment that ND people are more sensitive to, the high prevalence of CSA, and a world that doesn’t even try to make any accommodations and you find it more rare to find neurodivergent people who are untraumatized.

One result mentioned here but worth highlighting is the capacity to dissociate and the existence of dissociative disorders. Many people in this cohort also find they have the ability to structurally dissociate as a coping mechanism of last resort - an outsized percentage of people diagnosed with OSDD, DID, and DDNOS are neurodivergent, and among social groups of neurodivergent people often dissociative people will tend to attract - it’s nearly to the point that “capacity to dissociate” could itself be a neurotype. Anyway it’s a fascinating line of study, and if I didn’t have folks w dissociative disorders in my life I might doubt their existence.

E-Reverance•35m ago
> A diagnosis of ADHD or autism in adulthood often leads to incredible relief and grief in processing all the moments of being blamed and shamed for what was assumed to be a lack of effort, laziness and/or defiance.

This is definitely a factor for me when I tried to get diagnosed (which failed lol), because my parents whom caused my trauma would obviously refuse to blame themselves for my emotionally stunted development

varispeed•27m ago
Not sure if you noticed the play. You don't have ADHD or autism, you just suffered from trauma.

Government doesn't like that "too many" people want to get support, so looks like they reach for academics.

Same crap they did with cannabis and others when it was impacting certain interests.

binary132•12m ago
I’m sure a lot of people seeking an ADHD / Autism diagnosis after “discovering” they “totally have it” after seeing a video on social media do not in fact have ADHD / Autism.
varispeed•8m ago
Of course. You know better other people minds than they know themselves. Why being spiteful? Are you jealous that someone is disabled?
exe34•25m ago
I simply wrote to the psychiatrist a note that whatever my parents say, they'll make themselves look good, and therefore will paint a rosy childhood for me. I guess it also helped that my then partner was there and told her of how my parents told a "funny story" that made his parents gasp in horror.
varispeed•32m ago
> This rise in interest and, at times, conviction, is challenging clinicians and resources.

There you go. Seems like the academics are either pressured to gaslight people managing ADHD and autism or jump on bandwagon hoping a department notices and perhaps provide funding or other jolly.

They should get fucked with this harmful "research".

MajorTakeaway•29m ago
Sounds like you were abused as a child and you find this upsetting.
varispeed•26m ago
More like government doesn't want people to get support they need.
jghn•29m ago
> A diagnosis of ADHD or autism in adulthood often leads to incredible relief and grief in processing all the moments of being blamed and shamed for what was assumed to be a lack of effort, laziness and/or defiance.

I never understood this sentiment. It's just who I am and always have been. And I learned to deal with the circumstances. I don't understand why it makes people feel better to have a diagnosis they can blame.

Perhaps it's a generational thing? I know as a manager it's pretty common for reports to cite them having ADHD as why they can't do this or that. Meanwhile I mentally roll my eyes thinking, "no shit, me too, but I manage to get this done"

neta1337•26m ago
Then you don't have adhd
jghn•19m ago
sure thing, mr scotsman
richardlblair•26m ago
Think of growing up feeling inadequate. Even in the eyes of your parents. Then learning that you don't suck and were completely undeserving of being mistreated as a child.

(No child is deserving of being mistreated but that's a whole other bag of worms)

jghn•19m ago
A diagnosis did not alter my thinking in this regard whatsoever. That's part of what I was saying I don't understand.
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INTPenis•28m ago
The whole ADHD and trauma link is very interesting. I'm not a scientist, but from personal experience every single person I've met with ADHD has had severe childhood trauma. So it really makes you wonder if that old theory is right about childhood trauma triggering an overload to a child's flight or fight response, which leads to ADHD.

Especially when the trauma involes a caretaker. Parents are like a child's image of god, and for one to turn against the child is devastating.

jaggederest•21m ago
Too much heritability for trauma alone to be the whole story. It's likely genetics produce latency and environment triggers, if trauma is indeed a big part of the picture.
luckydata•20m ago
this is simply not true, and there's tons of scientific evidence of the contrary. ADHD makes you vulnerable to abuse because generally speaking people have a hard time dealing with the foibles of ADHD people. That makes you a target. We know that from science, there's no point in theorizing. ADHD is mostly genetic, highly hereditary and both under diagnosed and under treated. That's all there is to it.
anonthrownaway•10m ago
You are arguing that childhood trauma doesn't have a causal relationship to ADHD?
Clent•5m ago
I would argue the relationship is in the other direction. People with ADHD often have childhood trauma caused by the way others treated their ADHD symptoms in childhood.
cs1996•25m ago
i apologize for my use of AI but this is such a big topic in my family I needed to make an image to send around; https://i.imgur.com/Oyaivfl.jpeg
cs1996•13m ago
i don't understand the downvote. i'm printing this out and putting on our fridge. we have 4 kids all with ADHD autism but trying hard not to complex trauma them.
lurk2•8m ago
[delayed]
egeozcan•5m ago
Hey, I didn't downvote you, but you may want to correct some spelling before you do that. A random paragraph: https://imgur.com/a/FXOZ3JZ

I kind of think, any scrapbook/sheet you may compile yourself would have a much bigger impact. The effort you put in give it importance for the children as well, this is how humans work :)

Must be challenging, and I'm rooting for you.

barbazoo•8m ago
I see a lot of myself in this.
FinnLobsien•17m ago
I think another cause is our media environment.

Assuming ADHD is to some extent a chemical thing (I.e. brain didn’t properly develop impulse control or attention span or whatever), we now live in a world that enables those exact things.

If you lived in a world where the principal media were written articles/books and long-form TV shows/movies, your brain was still trained to focus.

Most media is now basically an ADHD simulator, with constant context switching, intense stimuli etc. which only reinforces whatever ADHD traits one may have.

I would guess it’s somewhat similar to the interaction between smoking and asthma.

general_reveal•10m ago
There’s more money to be made with a pill for a thing called adhd than there is if such a thing doesn’t exist.

I’m not sure what people will even need the fucking adderral for now anyway now that the computer programs like a drugged out maniac now for us anyway.

You don’t have adhd. It was always insane to expect humans to program like a fucking machine. You’d have to take a drug to do shit like that and that’s the sad truth of the software industry.

The children are so broken that their parents and entire community give them status and money for actually doing this (taking drugs to make money in the world).

Your dealer (the pharmaceutical industry) will never make you feel bad about this (enter media planted articles), thus, here you go, feel good about doing the wrong thing because … uh, you are a victim.

God sees through ALL bullshit, especially the ones we tell ourselves.

glenpierce•5m ago
This article is important to me and I need some help understanding it correctly. Am I correct in my understanding that it is basically saying that getting a proper adhd/autism diagnosis is helpful for people? Or that people with complex trauma should or shouldn’t be diagnosed with adhd or autism? I’m sorry, this is a bit confusing to me.
digitaltrees•19m ago
What was the funny story.
19m ago
100%. And this has been repeated generation after generation. Its just that in the past 50 years we have started caring and being kind towards ourselves and it has shown tangible results in the progress of human civilization as a whole.

But some regions/cultures are lagging (but catching up fast) as per my experience living in 5 states across 3 countries spanning two very different continents.

barbazoo•11m ago
What about before? When and why did we stop caring I wonder.
LudwigNagasena•5m ago
What does a diagnosis have to do with any of that? How is that a whole other bag worms, that’s exactly the topic at hand.
jitix•24m ago
A lot of traditional ways of "dealing with circumstances" are very unhealthy (and often toxic) and have adverse effects on people around you. Unless your methods are deemed healthy by a mental health professional you can't be sure.
jghn•20m ago
Sure, and I have plenty of unhealthy habits. But getting a Dx didn't lead me to say "oh my god, the sun is brighter, the air smells fresher, all is revealed!". My response was closer to "yeah, no shit".

I should add, even when I was in grade school it was discussed for me to get evaluated. But that was far enough back that it was just "hyperactivity" & before people started talking in terms of ADD, ADHD, and subtypes, and I didn't match the criteria back then. So it wasn't like it was a big surprise decades later when revised criteria started matching my phenotype

jitix•18m ago
Then you don't have a good therapist.
egeozcan•16m ago
Even some other people with ADHD seem to treat it like a trait, and not like a disorder.

This worries me.

Also, what's so noble about hiding own struggles?

And also, why shouldn't I be relieved when I understand a big factor in my struggles?

This is a very confusing comment.

HighNunChicken•9m ago
Sounds like bad management. Explanations aren't excuses, they're simply the reason something happens.

ADHD is often an executive function disorder. As a manager, have you offered them an accommodation?

Lots of “I” statements from you and not a whole lot of understanding.

tfigueroa•7m ago
Perhaps you should not be a manager beyond rote supervisory responsibilities if you cannot understand this aspect of people.
cwillu•5m ago
Some people were abused in various ways in an “attempt” to get them to stop presenting those traits. Calling friends parents, teachers, etc about thing that really should have been private (if not in fact grounds for CPS interventions), physical abuse to try to “break habits”, physically breaking objects associated with the child's special interests, etc.

Learning that you were not, in fact, a horrible and wicked child that your parents had to endure is life changing.

sourthyme•17m ago
I have some friends that had hard experiences growing up from their parents because of their ADHD. ADHD effects kids earlier in development and requires some extra attention from parents (who also may have ADHD). It might be more likely that kids with ADHD have trauma because of their parents reaction to it.
skissane•13m ago
> I'm not a scientist, but from personal experience every single person I've met with ADHD has had severe childhood trauma

I have an ADHD diagnosis. The only particularly traumatic thing in my childhood was my parents getting divorced when I was a teenager because my mother had an affair. I already had some symptoms of it before that happened. Prior to that, my parents might not have been the best parents you could possibly have, but they didn’t do anything that would merit the label “severe childhood trauma”

varispeed•5m ago
> every single person I've met with ADHD has had severe childhood trauma.

Every person with headache I met had painkillers.

Therefore their pain is caused by painkillers.

Daft.

dguest•4m ago
For what it's worth I know people with ADHD who have no evidence of childhood trauma.

I'm saying this to offer an honest counterpoint to your anecdote. I don't think you meant to imply that ADHD is entirely due to trauma, but in fairness to parents it's probably worth entertaining the idea that some kids are just born that way.

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