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The Disease called Politics (1962)

https://www.panarchy.org/roszak/politics.html
24•jruohonen•49m ago

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mwkaufma•29m ago
s/politics/money
davidw•28m ago
What a bunch of sophomoric blather. "Politics" is just how large groups of humans organize themselves. It can be done well or done poorly. It can be done with a thought to the most vulnerable, where minorities have rights and where it's not simply mob rule.

"Politics" is how we decide whether or not to protect certain aspects of the natural world from exploitation, and how much. Or how much to help people who can't make their own way in the world for whatever reason (illness, age, whatever).

baxtr•21m ago
It’s crazy how much weight certain words carry. Replace politics with diplomacy and you get people cheering for it.
PunchTornado•23m ago
If you expect some arguments in this text, you'll find none. It is just some absolutist language, x is y and y is z.
GaryBluto•22m ago
Is it just me, or has Hacker News seen an uptick in politics-focused posts and comments recently?
rf15•21m ago
Well, the political world is turning fairly rapidly now with all the moves the US administration makes. 2026 is a crazy year.
rubicon33•16m ago
Yea, but that isn't what HN has been for. It has historically been relatively safe from political stuff. For some of us it's rather sad to see it moving in that direction.
gkoberger•14m ago
Hackers have always been political. I've never met a true hacker who wasn't political.
wartywhoa23•14m ago
A gardener whose only focus are roses without any regard to the soil is an atrocious gardener.
tdhz77•12m ago
I see this type of post every week, every month… no it’s always been political. Tech politic — or government politic is just analyzing power structure.
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aliasxneo•19m ago
> But now the game of politics has expanded to the point of embracing the whole of life. It claims to be the only game.

If only I had a dollar for every Redditor that has tried to explain to me how "everything is political."

gkoberger•16m ago
Are they wrong, though? I have a hard time thinking of a single part of life that isn't actively being shaped or affected by politics.
tdhz77•13m ago
They are not wrong, those who say it shouldn’t are WASP who benefit everyday from the status quo.
aliasxneo•6m ago
Well, racist comments like that certainly only exacerbates the problem.
jackyinger•4m ago
It is trivial to find things that are apolitical. Enjoying a beautiful flower or sunset for instance. You might argue they have little import, but they are nonetheless examples of aspects of life free from politics.

Edit: Of course, if you are driven you can layer politics on anything. But the political interpretation is a layer, not the actual underlying thing.

nvme0n1p1•3m ago
From a certain naive perspective, it's not wrong. But in practice it's not a useful thing to say. It's a dumb simplification used by extremists who want to spam political ragebait everywhere, social decorum be damned.

You could make the same argument about physics. Everything is made of atoms, so everything is physics. Does that mean every "$POLITICIAN does $THING" tabloid story is on topic for physics.stackexchange.com? Obviously not.

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2m ago
I think it's actually appropriate here, and I'll try to articulate why. (Disclaimer: former history major here. I might be biased by my own interests.)

I'm reading "A Hacker's Mind" by Schneier and it makes a fundamental connection I've been trying to reason about for a long time. He looks at hacking through a very broad lens. He defines it essentially as the manipulation of a system using its rules to take actions that are allowed by the system but undermine its intent.

The key thing he says is that systems exist within and connected to broader systems. He gives the example of an ATM. Fundamentally it's a computer connected to a box of cash. You can hack it by manipulating computer rules. But it also exists within the broader monetary and legal systems, and while the computer's rules might allow you to execute the hack, the legal system will always treat that as an illegal action and prosecute you.

So what I'm basically saying is that as a matter of systems thinking, politics makes sense here on Hacker News. I think where people might object is that it can devolve into arguments about values and black-and-white thinking (arguably this essay does that, although I think the Burroughs quote about the bull in the ring approaches a systems theory aspect). Personally I enjoy thinking about this stuff though. Macro-level socioeconomic systems are the largest things we can think about aside from planetary-level concerns like geology and universe-scale stuff like cosmology. Their dynamics are very interesting and interact in many ways with the stuff we think of as more traditionally "hacking."

georgemcbay•11m ago
> If only I had a dollar for every Redditor that has tried to explain to me how "everything is political."

That phrase may be an oversimplification, but I think it is important for people to recognize that politics is going to happen whether you are involved in it or not and the results will impact your life.

If you detach yourself from it, the results of politics will happen upon you regardless of your involvement, likely in ways that you do not like.

Given this, it is a good idea to be involved even if you don't really want to be.

aliasxneo•7m ago
I agree, but also politics doesn't have to be the whole of life. It's possible to live a life where political things are one of many boxes you give time to. What I'm talking about are the extremists who would try to argue my garden is political.

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