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A Chrome extension that catches duplicate tabs

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/duplicate-tab-guard/ekcnfjaambmnbgjcgbdfdajmhifbcelm
2•arttaboi•1m ago•0 comments

The Rising Counterculture of Silicon Valley Smokers

https://www.businessinsider.com/smoking-cigarettes-silicon-valley-counterculture-2026-9
2•bohaska•1m ago•0 comments

How to be more ambitious: A tutorial for humans with models

https://felixrieseberg.com/how-to-be-more-ambitious-a-tutorial-for-humans-with-models/
2•meetpateltech•1m ago•0 comments

Failing to give Meta Muse a soul

https://github.com/bkawa-io/muse-souls
2•bkawa-bot•1m ago•1 comments

Did Ente Locker copy my code without attribution?

https://fairscan.org/blog/did-ente-locker-copy-my-code-without-attribution/
2•ibobev•1m ago•0 comments

The Agent Autonomy Trifecta, or How to Build Agents That Need Less Babysitting

https://prberg.com/posts/2026/agent-autonomy-trifecta/
2•PaulRBerg•2m ago•1 comments

Frugal Computing Revisited

https://limited.systems/articles/frugal-computing-revisited/
2•speckx•2m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Lowlight – Dim your MacBook keyboard backlight below the macOS minimum

https://github.com/Isaac-Harper/lowlight
2•isaacharper•2m ago•0 comments

Programmers maxing out a $12 VPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGWKCaglSBI
2•dofi4ka•3m ago•0 comments

Flappy Letters – Wordle Meets Flappy Bird

https://flappyletters.com/
2•alex-slax•3m ago•0 comments

Brax Wink available for pre-order

https://braxtech.net/products/wink
2•monooso•3m ago•0 comments

Chinese cheap LLMs could trigger trillion-dollar AI infrastructure reset

https://www.theregister.com/paas-and-iaas/2026/10/13/cheap-chinese-and-open-source-llms-could-tri...
3•runtimewire•4m ago•0 comments

Why I'm going back to academia

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-i-m-going-back-academia
2•theanonymousone•5m ago•0 comments

Visual Category Theory Studio

https://github.com/DumpAnalysis/CategoryTheoryStudio
2•ibobev•5m ago•0 comments

Python vs. Go: A Practical Comparison for Developers

https://blog.jetbrains.com/go/2026/10/13/python-vs-go/
1•ibobev•5m ago•0 comments

Smash 64 Recomp Developer kicked for using AI (me)

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2026/10/super-smash-bros-for-n64-is-getting-a-non-ai-slop-reco...
1•superboopiedev•6m ago•1 comments

Agentic AI for network incident response

https://commandline.microsoft.com/ai-agent-copilot-autopilot-layered-model-production-network-inc...
1•lisajaloza•6m ago•0 comments

RAWmakase: Lightroom-Compatible Raw Editor

https://rawmakase.com/
1•neucoas•6m ago•0 comments

Sega Dreamcast at GopherCon Europe 2026? [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU2K1HjOblE
1•drpaneas•7m ago•0 comments

Utah's coal country pushes back against data centers

https://www.hcn.org/articles/utahs-coal-country-pushes-back-against-data-centers/
1•cdrnsf•7m ago•0 comments

Living Outside the Distribution

https://mili.dev/writing/outside-the-distribution/
1•jmilinovich•7m ago•0 comments

A New Era for Sandstorm

https://sandstorm.org/news/2026-10-13-a-new-era-for-sandstorm
1•ocdtrekkie•10m ago•0 comments

Yet another catalogue of fast matrix multiplication algorithms

https://fmm.univ-lille.fr
1•bmc7505•10m ago•0 comments

Stolen Renoir paintings found hidden, and damaged, behind cinder block wall

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stolen-renoir-paintings-found-behind-wall-france/
2•ohjeez•10m ago•0 comments

Announcing Stride 4.4

https://www.stride3d.net/blog/announcing-stride-4-4/
1•pjmlp•11m ago•0 comments

They war-gamed dimming the Sun. It went worse than you think

https://www.wired.com/story/they-war-gamed-dimming-the-sun-it-went-even-worse-than-you-think/
1•PaulHoule•12m ago•0 comments

Cyberattack halts construction of tunnel between Denmark and Germany

https://ua.news/en/world/kiberataka-zupinila-budivnitstvo-tuneliu-mizh-daniieiu-ta-nimechchinoiu-...
2•paaloeye•12m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Get your license to do math in 5 minutes

https://MathLicense.pro/
1•nns2009•14m ago•2 comments

Show HN: Color Studio – OKLCH palette tool

1•lessio•14m ago•0 comments

Lean 4.35.0 (2026-10-12)

https://lean-lang.org/doc/reference/latest/releases/v4.35.0/
1•ngrislain•15m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Gemini 4 Argon

https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/
158•737max•33m ago

Comments

username_my1•28m ago
not available in our org (EU)
idbnstra•27m ago
so this is prob why antigravity is not working well at the moment lol
w4yai•27m ago
not available. classic google.
nitinreddy88•27m ago
not available yet. why to launch something that can never be used even after weeks
bigyabai•25m ago
Because Mythos started an arms-race for "models that are too smart for you" and other labs are jealous.
theplumber•6m ago
Yeah, I think this is it! Google tried to hype their model but they have no chance against queen Dario. Perhaps they should just delete Gmail and say that Gemini did it. That way they would get some attention …
bigyabai•5m ago
Quoting Kai Lentit: "Google agents have been hacking Google internally for years."

https://youtu.be/DlTNN0gvkLM

modeless•24m ago
Page says it is now available to Ultra and Pro subscribers. Although in AI Studio it currently says you need Ultra. But it's technically released either way.
llmslave•26m ago
Blatantly obvious that models will not slow down. For any task, if we can build a dataset or environment of verifications, it can be automated. This will eat all of human tasks.

The fact that multiple companies can breach any benchmark means there is no ambiguity in terms of how to build AI, its just a matter of time.

Certainly Meta and Google are benchmaxxing to please public markets, but it still proves the above

efficax•21m ago
but they have slowed down. the delta in capability between model releases now is smaller than ever before and i expect it to continue to diminish until we reach some kind of asymptotic maximum, which hopefully will mean turn towards optimization and local model improvements. The current frontier models running at 10x the tok/s would be incredible for my use cases
alecst•16m ago
We're not living in the same universe. Look at capability year-over-year. The asymptotic maximum is wishful thinking. Someone needs to step in before this gets wildly out of control.
verdverm•11m ago
Year-over-year, yes I would agree with you, but that is not the cycle time of models. And while I share the same hunch as GP, I'm waiting another cycle before putting more confidence behind it.
isqueiros•7m ago
> Someone needs to step in before this gets wildly out of control. This sounds like a paid bot, lmao.

I wonder how much is actual improvements in the model and how much comes from better harnesses. I'd be willing to bet that the combination of better harnesses + the models being trained around agentic workflows (i.e the harnesses) has made it significantly better in many things, but it's hard to find other improvements imo.

IanCal•25m ago
> built to solve your hardest problems

Like a working scroll on a webpage.

God damn this is impossible to use of safari mobile.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs•23m ago
Coding is solved, scrolling not yet :)
jedbrooke•23m ago
worked ok for me on ios safari, but probably because I have the “reduce motion” setting enabled. Every day that setting feels more justified
InvisibleUp•22m ago
It literally can’t load in my mobile web browser without running out of memory and force-refreshing.
jstummbillig•14m ago
Clicked on "Performance". Scrolled to "Safety".
pierreozoux•14m ago
I have a more than 10 years old laptop, same feeling here!
throwawayy6767•9m ago
If you can't afford a Google engineer's high-end device that doesn't lag you don't matter to them :)
tekacs•24m ago
To everyone saying not available yet: it looks from the page like Pro and Ultra subscribers have it today and given the play links, it'll probably show up in the API in a few hours.
catigula•23m ago
I'm a Pro user and I do not have it. Seems scuffed.
owlninja•23m ago
I'm Ultra and seeing it now (US)
verdverm•17m ago
> Seems scuffed.

I like this phrasing and am curious what new word or phrase we might use to describe big companies over pushing Ai internally at the expense of their product quality. This pattern is so ubiquitous across google cloud products I have taken to calling them the 21st century IBM, having been a IBM baby and witnessing first hand their fall from exceptionalism.

wyldberry•14m ago
The internet and gaming has ruined my brain because scuffed was a way to describe a bad dungeon run in mythic plus dungeons in WoW, or a bad tower dive in LoL a few years ago. I see scuffed and think "here's a WoW/League knower".
catigula•10m ago
Interesting. I don't play either LoL or retail WoW, but I am a historical WoW player.
vegnus•24m ago
People use Antigravity still?
bla3•24m ago
It's alright.
zf00002•24m ago
Finally, gemini 3.8 has been falling way behind opus and sol in my experience. It's showing up in my antigravity. My work account though still has 3.6, 3.8, 3.1.
mridulmalpani•23m ago
It's available for gemini pro users.
aliljet•23m ago
Good God, man. Google has the worst frontier lab rollout of them all. And they're delivering products that are behind the curve constantly.

Now, I happen to believe that's an excellent strategy. I bet they actually resolve more LLM requests than any other company at this point. The lay person still uses Google exclusively.

nateb2022•21m ago
I pay Google a reasonable price for 5TB storage/backup across GMail/Docs/etc. Any AI they throw in with that is icing on top of the cake.
sroussey•15m ago
Yeah, Gemini 1.5 might be the most used (certainly by consumers) ai model. That is the one used by Google Search AI Answers.
cubefox•7m ago
False. Last information was that Google Search uses Gemini 3 Flash-lite. Gemini 1.5 is totally outdated and used nowhere.
sroussey•3m ago
Oh, I didn't notice that they switched from 1.5 to 3 flash about six months ago. I know someone there and they talked about how 1.5 was hardened and it was a pain to do so on newer models that is wasn't worth it for a long time. But that convo was in the beginning of the year. I should have looked it up.
dbuser99•11m ago
sva_•23m ago
Not available in my browser/app yet (pro), but I'm confident it'll roll out soon.

That was a long wait.

algoth1•22m ago
Gemini 3.1 is still SOTA at weird handwriting recognition. If Argon is better it will be amazing
timpera•22m ago
The slides they show in the catering video demo are so bad (in addition to having all the usual signs of AI design), I would genuinely laugh if a supplier sent me this.
verdverm•14m ago
I laughed for the first half of the greatest "slop deck" their cloud sales team sent us, until other emotions like disappointment took over.
postalcoder•21m ago
I'm using this model via API. I am most excited about its ability to write the english language (or any language). My least favorite trend on twitter has been people posting 2D illustrations/3D renders as a proxy for model capability. Well-written prose is far less likely to go viral but far outstrips the ability to render a fantasy world in one shot.

I've been trying it out via the API and the model has been a delight so far. Clear in the head, not RL-fried, distinct writing style, and big model smell. That said, the em-dash is back w/ this model.

That said, I would be so frustrated with Sundar Pichai if I was on the Google team. The botched rollout of this model seems to be entirely a matter of capacity, and Pichai has been more than happy to give it to anybody but his own team.

algoth1•11m ago
I missed the em dash — ngl
postexitus•6m ago
What was botched about it?
axblount•21m ago
Gemini isn't perfect but I find it a lot less annoying than other model families (personal preference or stockholm syndrome). Interested to read the reviews.

Is it actually available?

robotmay•3m ago
Seconded. Anthropic feel the need to limit how abusive you can be to Claude because god, I want to throttle that snotty little shit. Google don't have to do that with Gemini because it just isn't as irritating. It does what I ask and doesn't try to second-guess my requests, or do "the quick fix".
jordemort•21m ago
at this rate we're gonna run out of stupid names for these things

"Hans, we're doing a new point release! What isn't crossed out on the periodic table yet?"

GodelNumbering•21m ago
The previous gen pro used to have this weird tick where if you ask it a reasonably open ended question, it would number things in the response and assign each one some weird label starting with 'The...'

e.g.

    X: The Parameters
    Y: The "System"
    Z: The "Ongoing Grind"
The first two prompts I tested in AI Studio does the same, unfortunately.

Another quite unpleasant tick was that if you specify a peculiar term in your prompt as a conversational shortcut, it would keep repeating that throughout the conversation. e.g. "...What is a bitter lesson pilled way to do this?", then you'd see it will quote "bitter lesson pilled" at like 7 places in its response. This one seems to have eased off a little.

Corence•14m ago
I feel like this is a quirk of LMSYS-style optimization where humans in SxS preference evals will pick based on formatting more than actual content.
Insanity•20m ago
> Across Google and our early access partners, Argon is quickly becoming the preferred model for engineers tackling long-horizon software engineering.

"Across Google", wonder how much that is because of an effort by Google to curb usage of Anthropic models. MSFT and Meta similarly are pushing for in-house models. It doesn't mean the models are better when you push your engineers to dogfood and restrict access to other LLMs.

(Not that I know for sure this is the case, it's more of a hypothesis).

rw2•20m ago
Fable 5.5 about to drop the hammer on them and then another Astra version goes out lol.
yoz-y•15m ago
And so the game of cat and mouse goes on. Your point being?
DataDaoDe•19m ago
Unlike most people it seems, I like all the progress in AI but I really do wish they would reign in the over-the-top marketing. I mean, can we just get this stuff to the point where I can reliably work with it to design a well-architected software project without having to constantly struggle against bloat and nonsense directions no experienced or sane developer would ever take.

fyi: argon is an interesting choice of name, coming from the Greek argos meaning "lazy or living w/out labor".

aleksiy123•15m ago
I think in this case it’s from the element argon
DataDaoDe•8m ago
Yes probably but that's still from Greek (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argon#History)
ralusek•19m ago
3.1 Gemini was amazing for anything non-agentic. I switched to it for my primary chatbot purposes.

I never touch 3.8, it's awful. Curious to try this, but I've yet to use any Gemini that is good for agentic work.

Also, unrelated but this made me look at Artificial Analysis to see where it lands on Cost per Task, and it ranks Opus 5.5 at almost double Astra 6. That does not align with my experience.

bezko•19m ago
can't use in agy with Pro subscription:

Unavailable · Gemini 4 Argon is currently available to Ultra plan subscribers.

redox99•19m ago
Only available in the $100 plan, and it's worse than Opus 5.5? Why would you ever buy this?
theplumber•8m ago
Because you have an android phone and don’t want to mess around with anything else(i.e the reason people just use internet explorer) or you hold Google stock so you want to support your investment :)
damsta•19m ago
> The model launches today at an introductory price of $2 per million input tokens and $10 per million output tokens (with cached input tokens at 95% off).

Couldn't you just say what the price will be after the introductory period and when it'll take effect? Do they have some SKILL.md for these blog posts that requires the most important information to always be buried ten levels deep and hidden behind a login page?

nananana9•16m ago
It's irrelevant information, they know the reader switches models every week.
simonw•13m ago
They're doubling the price on December 1st: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing#gemini-4-argon

$2/million input and $10/million output today. $4/$20 after December 1st.

logicchains•7m ago
>$4/$20

Is Elon Musk doing their pricing?

nateb2022•5m ago
With the pace they're delivering models, there's gonna be 1-2 new Gemini 4 versions by December 1st, presumably with their own introductory price windows. We just got Gemini 3.8 on 2 September and Gemini 3.7 on 13 August.
damsta
simonw•18m ago
Unsurprisingly, the pelicans are excellent. Google are the only lab who have publicly shared that they have specifically trained for SVG output - https://twitter.com/sunjiao123sun_/status/202455551655137292... - and they've had great pelican results in the past too (which they have shown off themselves - https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757).

Here's low, medium, high. Even low is better than pelicans from any other lab: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

low cost 10.185 cents, medium was 11.098 cents, high was 17.166 cents.

The costs are similar because it used more output tokens than reasoning tokens for all three pelicans, even for high.

zzulanas•17m ago
what is even the point of these now? labs are most definitely training on this question now. I feel like this test scratches the surface of a "real" test for these new models
simonw•15m ago
It attracts at least one comment like yours on every single thread, so I guess the main purpose is to kick off a race to see who can post that comment first.
32297•10m ago
Yeah the main point of a 120 DB noisy party at 4 in the morning is to see which neighbor complains first and then make gleeful comments about it!
osiris970•18m ago
Can’t even get it on pro tier in antigravity?

What’s the point lol. I’m not subbing to ultra to have it

rcr-anti•17m ago
Digging in the model card, "Gemini 4 is the next generation in the Gemini series, a suite of highly-capable, natively multimodal, reasoning models. Gemini 4 Argon delivers frontier performance..." If they're using noble gases there are 2 obvious lighter naming candidates and 3 larger (or 4 if you count Oganesson). I'm not seeing them claiming Argon is the top/biggest/bestest model among the Gemini 4 series, just that it has frontier performance.

Edit: noble gases not noble taxes, though the latter would be a funnier naming scheme.

mistic92•17m ago
I'm pro and I see that I need to be Ultra to use Argon :/
Trusteando•17m ago
It seems the model is a little verbose, using more tokens to complete a task that other similar models as stated more precisely in the linked article about Artificial Analysis's work on this model.
yoz-y•16m ago
Excited to finally see this out. When new big models come out I like to make them audit any other code I generated to see how things are.
freakynit•16m ago
"Argon autonomously turns raw video to a physics-accurate simulation, estimating depth and physical boundaries, and writing the exact simulation code required to replicate those real-world environments."

This is crazy if it can work accurately.

ArashEdalat•5m ago
Geometry could be understood today with the model but what also really matters is the sensing, friction, mass how smooth the subjects are, dexterity is a very difficult problem so solve, not sure how simulations could handle such factors
verdverm•2m ago
Game engines have many of these features. At one point, iirc, Unity was positioning to be the simulation environment for world model agents before we spoke about it in these words.
129751•15m ago
Google's models are by far the best for readable text but also for nuanced understanding of the input.

Even after using the free model in Google search talking to Anthropic or OpenAI models feels like talking to an ox.

david-gpu•14m ago
Meanwhile I paid a subscription and they only provide access to 3.6 Flash. Consequently, I have moved on to open-weight models. It is what happens when you screw your customers over.
Havoc•9m ago
You can probably get 3.8 via ai studio interface.

God knows why the server different things to the same people on different interfaces

pietz•13m ago
I'm open to Google winning me over again, but there isn't enough hype in the world to do it. They will need to earn it after these disappointing 6 months.
sureglymop•12m ago
When you are on "gemini.google.com" there is a little lock icon next to Gemini 3 and Gemini 4. When you click it you get the prompt to subscribe (pay). Once you have successfully done so, the Gemini 4 option disappears!

Pretty misleading.

ezfe•10m ago
Maybe it’s just an incomplete rollout not fraud lol
tireonfire•10m ago
I have the Free AI Pro plan from when I purchased my Pixel 11 Pro. I still don't have Argon in AGY nor web nor Gemini app. I have a free product and still feel cheated.
protoman3000•9m ago
Of all models I like to write with Gemini the most. The language appears much more natural and elegant than what even Opus 5.5 or Astra do. Also, they give 5TB of cloud storage and discounts, it’s a steal for what you get.

The code is bad though.

thisisauserid•9m ago
Here's how the 1M token output (long decode) works: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/long-decode
meerita•8m ago
All AI pages now include canvas animations. There isn't a single page without one. This is neither good nor bad, just an observation. I think OpenAI has the best animations so far, with Anthropic in second place. This one looks a bit off.
ainch•8m ago
Not available for me on Pro in the UK.
d2kx•7m ago
It's a great model. I have had it trying to decrypt the Voynich manuscript for the past couple of days without being biased by other research/other people's attempts. If anyone is interested: https://github.com/d2kx/voynich-research
babelfish•6m ago
I saw 'jargon-free' and my eyes immediately glazed over
scotty79•5m ago
Are they gonna go to Krypton or Neon next? Kinda started in the middle there.
simonw•3m ago
Pricing is interesting. At launch Argon is the same price as GPT-6 Sol, half the price of Claude Opus 5.5 and 1/5th the price of Claude Fable 5.1 and GPT-6 Astra.

But on December 1st Argon doubles in price - so it will be the same price as Opus 5.5.

llmslave•12m ago
opus 5.5 is a step change, you arent using the models enough if you think there is a slowdown
verdverm•10m ago
I do not see the current training regime of "relentlessly try anything to get the task done" as a true step change in intelligence. This is one of the reasons I suspect capability acquisition is slowing.

A more intelligent model would not default to spaghetti throwing, it would pause to consider the problem fundamentals, the accuracy of assumptions, and ask questions that remove ambiguity. This however does not lend itself to increasing token sales while prices are remain inflated from market and brand dominance.

david-gpu•11m ago
Models just solved a Millennium price and you think their progress is slowing down? I will concede that their capabilities vary a lot from one field to another, but still.
cma•11m ago
A little over a year ago they were winning their first gold in an elite high school math competition. Have you not seen what they are doing in math now?
oh_no•6m ago
also a mess on desktop firefox
cmrdporcupine•13m ago
HP is the other company to consider as analogous. And maybe more explicitly so, as they had a similar "engineering first" internal culture that degraded markedly over time to be a shadow of their former self.

And took similar companies that were quality engineering focused -- like DEC or Palm -- down with them through acquisition.

mistic92•17m ago
I'm getting popup that I need to be Ultra :D
xbmcuser•14m ago
Not really this is how they always release stuff in batches so can roll back if something is wrong so people get access over time
w4yai•17m ago
Pro user - I can't see it.
fridder•15m ago
Nope only Ultra. I went into Antigravity to check
ano-ther•15m ago
OpenRouter seems to have it: https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-4-argon
PorciiVorbesc•14m ago
Pro subscriber in the EU (via Indian discount code) and don't have it.
moecables•9m ago
Pro user here, don't see it in the Gemini app
wslh•9m ago
Checked, and already in Antigravity (as the page said).
Gallows4574•7m ago
It's available for me (pro sub) in Antigravity after I ran an update.
melasadra•2m ago
Huh ? Am also on Pro sub but Antigravity IDE say's that it's only available for Ultra users.

One possible thing : My Pro sub has been at 50% discount for the last six month, this is the very last week I'm gonna be on it.

caminanteblanco•7m ago
It looks like Pro can use argon in the Gemini app, but not in antigravity:

https://one.google.com/about/google-ai-plans/?icid=microsite...

freakynit•2m ago
Im on pro, installed gemini app, tried argon 4, keeps failing with 404, resource now found. Switched to gemini-3.8-flash in same session... worked.

It seems to be rolling out gradually.. not available at once to everyone.

yegle•5m ago
It's showing up in Antigravity on mobile UI as "unavailable" for Pro user (you can use Remote Control to access its web UI).

It doesn't show in the desktop UI.

rahimnathwani•5m ago
Not available to me on gemini.google.com (Pro, USA).
frangonf•3m ago
In agy 1.3.4

> Gemini 4 Argon (Medium)

  Unavailable · Gemini 4 Argon is currently available to Ultra plan subscribers.
schleck8•3m ago
I'm on Pro and it's trying to get me to upgrade to Ultra in the AI Studio UI when using Argon. In Antigravity CLI and the Gemini website it's not showing up at all despite being logged in
How is this behind the curve? Seriously
tireonfire•9m ago
Isn't OPUS much cheaper and generally regarded as more intelligent?
verdverm•5m ago
Afaict, they are targeting difference user bases, Google being after their existing user base, having lost in the developer ecosystem to the two labs and open weight models.
I_am_tiberius•10m ago
Moreover, you need a Google account in order to use it. I wouldn't bother paying 200 USD for it but I just don't want an entire google tracking package just for using one product.
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3m ago
Opus 5.5 is also priced at $4/$20, but are they on the same level?
129751•14m ago
Memes and self-promotion.
algoth1•14m ago
I enjoy it. Many readers here look specifically for Simon's pelican comment when a new model launches
HelloMcFly•12m ago
It's merely become part of the culture of new model drops even as it's become a bit less useful as a diagnostic.
soperj•12m ago
low version doesn't have a chain.

Medium and high are fixies apparently, (or they have a worm gear, although the hub doesn't look big enough for that), since neither has a derailleur. That would also explain the lack of brakes at least.

Low is still obviously failing the "test". It's pedals are not actually attached to the bike either.

Medium has a handlebar that goes through the pelican's beak. So I'd say also failing.

For the high, the only nitpick would be that the bell isn't quite on the handlebars and the stripes on his scarf don't line up correctly.

rdtsc•14m ago
Me in 2025 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44759781

> If it's on HN and is a meme at this point, it will end up in the training set.

> It's kind of fun to imagine that there is an intern in every AI company furiously trying to get nice looking svg pelicans on bicycles.

Google listened and assigned a few interns, I guess, for the task

eli•10m ago
SVG is useful for actual tasks, not just looking good in a silly "benchmark"
bilsbie•14m ago
Regarding the pelican test. Maybe someone will know this.

Modern models can make nearly photorealistic games in threejs. So why do they struggle with these pelicans?

simonw•10m ago
The models that are really good at 3D modeling tend to also be really good at pelicans. I think the skills are strongly related - it's about having good 2D (and now 3D) spatial awareness.

The test is always going to be hard though, because it's an absurd image to ask for.

jephs•7m ago
The pelicans are one-shot with not tools: Think a bunch, write a bunch of SVG, done.

The pretty 3d stuff you see are agents controlling a Blender MCP in a loop where they look at the scene, think, adjust the scene, repeat.

simonw•2m ago
Yeah, that's a good point. My basic pelican test doesn't allow the model to render their work and iterate on it. The 3D models all come from agent systems that are rendering with Blender or screenshotting with Playwright along the way.
Perz1val•7m ago
Have you tried editing SVG by hand?
postalcoder•14m ago
It's obvious OAI hillclimbs the image generation -> SVG loop. I'd put money down on that being why OAI's pelicans have a yellowish tint that matches the yellow tint of OAI's earlier image models.
kart23•14m ago
still radial spokes on both wheels of the bike which is disappointing. no real bicycle is built this way
huseyinkeles•6m ago
Wow, those are I think the best looking pelicans ever so far
Fraterkes•6m ago
Honestly surprising if other labs aren’t training for svg generation. Feel like SVG’s are going to be really useful for dynamic UI generation stuff that goes beyond cobbling Html together
perardi•5m ago
You can really see the effort in the details.

Subtle highlights on the metal frame, sweat beads, jaunty little hat…it has style. At least compared to the rather literal ChatGPT outputs. https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/gpt-pelicans-gr...