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I know why Mathematicians weep

https://www.derekthompson.org/p/i-know-why-the-mathematicians-weep
37•RickJWagner•36m ago

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bananaflag•16m ago
As a mathematician, I will never understand how my colleagues had never foreseen this. Okay, maybe you can believe in a plateau but at least accept as a possibility that there won't be one. This applies to every other human endeavour.

I am also sad, but my sadness is, in a way, priced in.

Lambdanaut•14m ago
I saw it coming since reading Kurzweil in high school and it's still heavy.

I just had a chance to flinch first.

QuesnayJr•3m ago
It was really quick. I stumbled across a comment from KConrad on MathOverflow on how useless AI was for research. That comment was from 2024. When it disproved the unit distance conjecture in May, the solution involved a breath of knowledge of the literature that it made sense it took a computer to make the connection. It only took 5 months for it to advance to the point that it was better than humans at almost everything. Even if you expected it, the mind boggles at how fast it was.

Also, it's impossible to really know how you're going to react to something until it happens to you. When ChatGPT came out, I already thought "in the long run they're going to automate almost everything humans love to do". Despite having 4 years to brood about it, I did not really know what it would feel like until it happened to me directly.

sdcfgy•14m ago
I weep because the money was bad.
SiempreViernes•12m ago
Even if this was overly long and mostly things I've seen before, I'm just very thankful that it wasn't yet another claude piece.
A_D_E_P_T•9m ago
There was an interesting passage in the article:

> Today, the mathematicians are weeping, because the machine smashed their tower first. But tomorrow, it may be the physicists, the economists, the illustrators, or the writers who weep over their fallen blocks.

Isn't it extraordinary that these models still can't write well? I mean, they write passably well, but they all have a highly characteristic style that you can spot from a mile away. These language models can crack the toughest open problems in math, but they haven't yet cracked human-like writing, especially long-form writing, without exposing themselves. This is very very odd, IMO.

user43928•5m ago
Makes me wonder whether it's a fundamental limitation of the technology or more like missing a good set of tasks in the training pipeline
zeroonetwothree•11m ago
As a programmer I’ve been ‘weeping’ for a few years now.
marketgarden•10m ago
ahem
omnicognate•10m ago
I happen to be (re)reading Strogatz' book "Nonlinear Dynamics and Chaos" right now. It's beautiful thing, and nothing in the "age of AI" threatens to equal it or in any way diminish my enjoyment of it.
Ectiseethe•2m ago
I think the point in that in the "age of AI" virtually nobody will have the opportunity to follow a career and produce works like Strogatz was able to do.
HPsquared•4m ago
"I know now why you cry." - Terminator
izzydata•3m ago
I still think mathematicians are going to be as important as ever. The LLMs are only finding what was technically possible given our current breadth of knowledge after brute force solving problems. Eventually it will run out of things that it can do with its training and the only way to get it to do more will be training it on new human found knowledge.

Finding that new knowledge may be exponentially more difficult, but it will be much more valuable.

kryogen1c•2m ago
> Think about a world where non-mathematicians leapfrog the field after a few AI prompts. It would be a world with more knowledge. But it might be a world with less understanding.

This seems like a good summary of the article, and I think the answer here is obvious.

So what?

News flash folks: we do not have the knowledge to survive on our own. If a solar flare deletes the electric grid, the first thing that happens is 8 billion people die in the next year.

We survive on abstractions others have built, and we have a global dependency web.

AI abstracting knowledge is neither new or dangerous; if it is dangerous, this certainly isnt the argument to prove it.

qarl•1m ago
> “They have annihilated my field of research.”

I think they might find comfort in knowing it's not just mathematicians - this is coming for all of us. Computers putting us out of work has been coming for a long long time.... and now it's here.

ehhthing•1m ago
I'm convinced the people who do not see what Mathematicians see simply have not considered that their jobs are just as vulnerable. The day when OpenAI replaces their own AI researchers with GPT will be upon us, and the response from the Mathematicians will be "First time?"

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