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Desire to Move Permanently to U.S. at New Low

https://news.gallup.com/poll/708614/desire-migrate-drops-new-low.aspx
117•karakoram•58m ago

Comments

PorciiVorbesc•46m ago
Can I have your spot then?
bigyabai•38m ago
Depends, how long are you willing to stay in detainment?
nxm•22m ago
0, assumed he went through the legal process.
verdverm•20m ago
That will be $100k please and thank you
onraglanroad•23m ago
Yes, I could easily get into the USA (or indeed practically anywhere in the world) but I live in Scotland because that's what I prefer.

You fire ahead and take my spot.

PorciiVorbesc•6m ago
Passport and visa please, thanks.
greenchair•42m ago
still on top, nuff said.
phendrenad2•38m ago
Multi-polar something something
Daishiman•40m ago
Not just that but the people who change their opinion the most are generally those with excellent education and job opportunities elsewhere.
mrstumpy•38m ago
Good
honeybadger1•38m ago
they hate us 'cause they ain't us
verdverm•19m ago
it's more because of statements like this

and when the world's richest country, that built the very liberal democratic order of The West, turns around and tells all of its friends, "you've been ripping us off!"

happosai•37m ago
The only proven method of stopping immigration to your country: make your country such a shit hole nobody wants to move to it.
arjie•33m ago
> The U.S. remains the most desired destination for people who would like to leave their own countries permanently, but Gallup's latest data show it is less attractive than it once was

If you look at the charts, it seems that if the US is a shithole, then Canada is twice the shit hole, and France and Germany are twice that.

In fact, it doesn’t appear that there are any non-shitholes using this metric.

I think the US should facilitate immigration by probably expanding the H1B 10x and reducing the period for a green card and also overturn Euclid v Amber and NEPA (with state level CEQA style to follow) but the reality is that even an immigration-resistant US administration is far more popular than any other country as a destination; and that’s probably simply due to the fact that it’s the one Western economy that is still dynamic despite everything.

fifilura•29m ago
Stats are skewed by size and geography of the country.
newfriend•26m ago
>expanding the H1B 10x

One of the worst ideas I've ever seen, and completely out of touch with American workers.

xingped•19m ago
Pretty sure he's also an H1B or previously a visa worker. Indeed, insanely self-serving and out of touch.
binklee•37m ago
Shows a lot what Europe thinks of the US. I'm surprised though that people from South Asia who would like to move permanently to another country also have a low vote for the US.
honeybadger1•35m ago
they all want to be here or there would be no issue and no news every time the government tried to make entry and visas more difficult
cyanydeez•33m ago
"even though I beat my wife, I know, deep down, she wants to be here; why else would she always come back"

such an interesting perspective.

honeybadger1•29m ago
honestly, that's a terrible response.
sailingparrot•25m ago
Love the amount of nuanced thinking and deep analysis that went into that comment
honeybadger1•14m ago
just as much thought that has gone into people who positioned the opposite in the comments like that we suck and we should feel bad. it's just the opposite, we are great and we do great things, and people wish to participate in our greatness.

there is good and bad, i believe we are much more good and it's exactly why there is a wait list for entry longer than anyone's list of political grievances that boil down to mostly hyperbole with a short list of few real concerns

rayiner•34m ago
Gallup does this survey regularly, and I think perhaps the most interesting thing on the chart is how few people in south and east asia (around 10%) want to leave even if they had the opportunity to do so. I think that says something about the psychology of people who do leave their countries.
heybales•33m ago
In other news, desire to move permanently FROM the U.S. at a new high.
weberer•17m ago
Its actually down slightly from its peak in 2024 according to the article.
bryanlarsen•33m ago
I'm surprised that "Northern America" was only 4% in 2024. It feels like a huge percentage of Canadians used to move to America. Maybe everybody who wanted to move already has?
fullstop•24m ago
The Canadians that I know who have been living in the USA are all making plans to or have already returned to Canada. Some of them have been here for 20+ years, became American Citizens, the whole deal. And now they just want to get off the crazy train.

I have to imagine that their sentiment is not unique.

binlog•31m ago
The irony is that restrictive immigration policies designed to keep out "low quality" immigrants are only going to stop the flow of skilled ones who have better options at home or elsewhere. People who are desperate will continue to immigrate no matter what.
Aurornis•27m ago
The sub-headline adds important context:

> U.S. still top destination as desire to migrate falls worldwide

So the US is still the top destination by a wide margin. Part of the decline is attributable to a global drop in desire to migrate at all.

Recent politics is undoubtedly part of it, but if you assumed the US had fallen behind other countries you should probably read the article.

Daishiman•24m ago
If you live in a shithole the US will obviously be an improvement by comparison. But that's not news and ultimately meaningless.

The concern is that smart, productive, capable people now have better alternatives.

sublinear•20m ago
What are the options you're weighing right now?
Daishiman•12m ago
I'm quite happy where I live. Colleagues that are in academics are going to Europe and some are going to China. Software guys are staying home and getting the opportunities to come to them through offshoring.
profsummergig•7m ago
Their username is Daish Iman.

Iman = pride.

Daish = Daesh. You can Google what that means.

metabagel•23m ago
k__•27m ago
Isn't that what the US wants? I mean, at least this ICE stuff happened doesn't seem very inviting.
klipt•20m ago
The current admin definitely wants to look tough on immigration.

Opinions among actual Americans vary. Some blue states even issue driver licenses to unauthorized immigrants on the basis that it's better for them to pass the driving test than to drive without taking the test.

Larrikin•11m ago
The administration wants to look tough on the "wrong" skin color
gregates•12m ago
The ICE stuff is extremely unpopular. Most of the people who voted for it did not understand they were doing so. If "the US" is the people, then no, they mostly do not want this. If "the US" is Trump, then yes, it is.

This is also the most important political question in the US right now. Are the people still sovereign?

rayiner•5m ago
[delayed]
wolvoleo•25m ago
Yeah I would never ever move there. I had an offer just before Corona but naaah. The only reason I applied is that they advertised it as a local job at first.

While this administration is in place I don't even want to visit, even for work purposes I refuse. Especially the toxic manosphere culture at the moment.

I've lived in 4 countries but the US is not one that appeals to me. They pay the most but cost of living is also huge and besides that money isn't the most important to me. I'm making about 60% where I live now as I would in my home country.

What matters to me is quality of life, and a good social welfare system so I don't have to worry.

metabagel•18m ago
I wouldn't recommend visiting the U.S. right now. There isn't the concept of fairness or due process. You don't have rights here. It is now extremely important to be a U.S. citizen. Everyone else is at the mercy of the Trump administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

wolvoleo•16m ago
Even as a US citizen you can have major issues at the border, like that guy with the grapheneos and his duress code.

In fact I think it would have worked out better if he hadn't been a US Citizen because they would have just sent him back and given him a lifetime entry ban or something.

azinman2•12m ago
This is a bit extreme.... and yes I know this admin is extreme but there are still millions who visit the US and have a perfectly normal time.
glimshe•25m ago
They could also have phrased that as "Ability to move Permanently to U.S. for those who want to is at New Low"
caaqil•24m ago
> U.S. still top destination as desire to migrate falls worldwide

> But despite these changes, many people worldwide — an estimated 900 million — would like to move, including about 134 million who would prefer to move to the U.S.

Important caveats.

Ritewut•22m ago
I'm trying to get out of the US but every other country is also having their own anti-immigration moment right now.
wolvoleo•13m ago
Also, these things work reciprocally. The more difficult the US is in admitting immigrants, the more pressure their citizens get too.

I remember when I went to Australia, I could stay a year but American backpackers only 6 months because that's what Australians got in the US.

js8•19m ago
How can people today even think they can "move to the U.S. permanently"? U.S. is even considering stripping citizenship from its own citizens. It's very impermanent.
ck2•19m ago
Heritage Foundation wants to reduce the US population by 11 million people by 2029

imaging what's going down just before/during the Olympics which I am 99% certain will be boycotted by then

bryanlarsen•18m ago
Looks like Matthew Yglesias's dream of 1 billion Americans is impossible now.
testbjjl•18m ago
It’s always good when we all don’t want the same things. I expect to see a lot more doom and gloom headlines of the midterm elections go as predicted, but anticipate quality of life increasing for us non billionaires as well.
mvcosta91•16m ago
The only way I’d ever set foot in the US is if Brazil decided to extradite me. Luckily, we don't extradite our own citizens.
dominotw•12m ago
oh no what is usa going to do now.
dominotw•16m ago
a big maga contingent wanted high interest rates to lower desire to for immigration into country also rollback lax visa and dei policies.

they got their wish.

rglover•13m ago
It's a disaster here. It should be of zero surprise that people don't want to move here (let alone invest their future).
Izikiel43•12m ago
It’s not, however immigrating legally is very hard due to the high demand.
Izikiel43•12m ago
Having dealt with the us immigration system, and even in an easy case, it’s not an easy thing to do.

Hopefully people get more informed on how hard it is to apply and don’t waste their lives on it, as a lot of them won’t get legal residency, or it might take several long years.

And this applies in general to most countries, specialized educated professionals are wanted, not poor people.

nadermx•10m ago
Perhaps for once people realize its a shit show everywhere
nailer•7m ago
I moved recently. I previously moved to the UK fifteen years ago. It's great here, people are very welcoming to immigrants and have been kind all over NY, Georgia, and Miami.

- NY has a great tech scene, it feels slightly healthier than SF but FAR more ambitious and supportive than London does. Also London investors are incredibly flaky.

- Street violence is an issue, but phone theft and terrorism are not.

- My gym has a good out-of-the-gym social scene which has made it easy to meet people.

EcommerceFlow•7m ago
This is excellent for us Americans. As LLMs and Robotics scale, the need for immigration will continue to drop.
drnick1•6m ago
Good, very good.
bluecalm•5m ago
USA makes it very hard to immigrate legally so probably many people don't express "desire" to immigrate there because that's not even an option for them.
lnenad•25m ago
People are moving to the states not because it's a great country, it's because they're able to make money there. More money than in their home country. This of course is not an indicator of *general* attractiveness but it still makes the country itself attractive as most of the people are seeing more money as a way to have a better life.
ragall•15m ago
Right. It stinks, but I can hold my nose for a whole while I make money. Pecunia non olet.
Ajedi32•12m ago
People are able to make a lot of money there because it's a great country.
rayiner•12m ago
> People are moving to the states not because it's a great country, it's because they're able to make money there.

How are people with that mentality--here for the money, but don't buy into the underlying concepts--going to affect the civic structure of the U.S.?

notabotiswear•22m ago
This is an issue of trajectories. Perception of Canada and France has not shifted significantly in the observation period; the US dropped by an unambiguous 38%. So it's not about what the US was, it's about what it's become/becoming. An example of Newton's first law, if you will.

Or at least that's how I am interpreting the parent post...

xingped•21m ago
Ah yes, just what we need, more H1Bs running around taking the jobs for which there are plenty of qualified unemployed Americans. That'll do wonders for us, I'm sure!
pornel•25m ago
Excuse me, Hole of America.
verdverm•21m ago
abbreviated as the A-Hole country /s
toast0•12m ago
You don't even really need to have the military policing the capital and national police force shooting people in the streets. A significant economic downturn is enough to reduce immigration legal and otherwise.

From the graphs, it seems that knowledge of our non-dairy pavement is filtering through to other countries. But a longer term graph would be nice; I'd like to see how the indicator reacted over more economic cycles, but I know some visa categories that had been oversubscribed on opening day for years started staying open for most of the year when the mortgage crisis hit, and I'd love to see data from previous downturns, too.

culi•9m ago
The biggest drop is from SE Asia which is rapidly developing. I assume many more people wanna stay in their home countries or move to China instead
ben_w•5m ago
I'm a "they", and no we don't all want to be in the USA.

In fact, many of us are exactly as hubristic about our nations' popularity as you seem to be about the popularity of the US.

Before I left the UK (for Germany), I encountered people who seemed absolutely convinced that all 8 billion humans would move to the small, moist, sheep-filled rock if not for even stronger enforcement of immigration policies.

The US may be physically larger than the UK, but no, the world doesn't want to move to you. We don't want to regularly share the road with what are, by our standards, monster trucks; nor do we want the 2nd; nor strip malls; nor the nuclear arsenal. Many of us have our own alternatives to Mount Rushmore, to the Statue of Liberty, etc., and don't really care about yours.

arjie•31m ago
Anglophone and still capable economy with pretty strong mobility for knowledge workers. It’s a no-brainer. No other place offers this. China is more dynamic an economy but you’ll be pretty second-class there as a S. Asian based on the experiences of my friends who work there.
Aurornis•22m ago
The European Union desire to migrate to the US went from 7% to 6%. The article mentions two countries were ranked higher:

> Within the European Union, Spain, at 11%, and Switzerland, at 8%, rank ahead of the U.S., at 6%.

So I think this really shows that EU members don’t have a lot of desire to migrate anywhere. The drop from 7% to 6% is inline with the global decrease in migration desire. I don’t think there’s as much to read into this about sentiment change toward the US.

Did you look at the charts? The U.S. dropped precipitously, while other countries mostly stayed in the same range.
Aurornis•17m ago
The UK also dropped precipitously if we’re looking at relative decreases.

Most other countries on the chart didn’t change much because going from 4% to 5% is in the noise.

The US started at a whopping 24% and ended at a number that’s still significantly higher than other countries.

As I said, politics played a role for sure, but when I read the comments before the article I expected to read about the US falling out of favor relative to other countries, which it has not.

culi•11m ago
The point is that "desire to migrate worldwide is down" is misleading because that downward trend is almost entirely due to the US. Most other countries are the same and Canada and Japan are even up.
onraglanroad•11m ago
The UK dropping isn't surprising because of Brexit. It makes far more sense to move to an EU country.
graemep•5m ago
Only if you are from an EU country.
jandrewrogers•23m ago
I wonder how much the global population getting older influences the desire to migrate.
jasonlotito•15m ago
> Part of the decline is attributable to a global drop in desire to migrate at all.

That's not what the article suggests at all.

The drop is calculated only from those who want to move.

Yes, it's still #1, but the drop that isn't a result of people not wanting to move. Instead, people that want to move are picking the US as the destination a lot less.

Axsuul•13m ago
Other countries are cracking down which makes desire to migrate less.
culi•13m ago
That subheadline is more misleading than the actual headline.

The average worldwide is down but that downward trend is largely due to the US. Canada and Japan are up and most other countries are about the same. UK is the only other own with a notable downward trend

swyx•9m ago
just cite the numbers guys.

US market share of global desire to migrate

2007 - 24%

2016 - 20%

2017 - 18%

2025 - 15%

Canada is #2 and moved up from 7% to 9%

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