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MongoDB API compatible DocumentDB announces 1.0

https://documentdb.io/blogs/posts/documentdb-1-0/
1•xgerman•1m ago•0 comments

A Little League coach pulled aside an opposing player [Meta Glasses]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7693356/2026/10/16/little-league-coach-viral-leadership-2/
1•compiler-guy•1m ago•0 comments

And Soon It Will Be Forgotten

https://desmolysium.substack.com/p/and-soon-it-will-be-forgotten
1•paulpauper•3m ago•0 comments

The Death of the Comeback

https://morbidcuriosity.substack.com/p/the-death-of-the-comeback
1•paulpauper•3m ago•0 comments

The big lie we tell ourselves as we get older

https://coached.com/essays/the-big-lie-we-tell-ourselves-as-we-get-older/
1•rohanm93•4m ago•1 comments

Lilly code editor outperforms Neovim using custom treesitter equivalent

https://tauraamui.site/blog/lilly-perf-vs-neovim-and-others
1•bloostar•4m ago•0 comments

Bill Gross bets AI can help mass produce 1M new startups

https://fortune.com/2026/10/19/bill-gross-idealab-ai-million-startups-jobs/
1•cybermango•4m ago•0 comments

Development Statistics for the 7.3 Kernel

https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1100241/27c42c1a81a81577/
1•cjd8•5m ago•0 comments

Show HN: CueCut Teleprompter for videos, podcasts and Zoom calls

https://getcuecut.com/
1•beerglass•5m ago•0 comments

Counterexample to Euler's Conjecture on Sums of Like Powers (1966) [pdf]

https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1966-72-06/S0002-9904-1966-11654-3/S0002-9904-1966-11654-3.pdf?...
1•theanonymousone•7m ago•0 comments

GTA 6 release could cost US economy $1B in lost productivity in just one day

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gta-6-launch-billion-dollar-sick-day-1818190
2•Vaslo•7m ago•0 comments

Techno-Optimism Archive – Old Promises of New Technologies

https://technooptimism.org/
1•ohjeez•7m ago•0 comments

We Put a Browser in Everything and Called It Progress

https://dayvster.com/blog/we-put-a-browser-in-everything-and-called-it-progress/
2•ibobev•10m ago•0 comments

AI Proved the Quasi-Riemann Hypothesis. What Happens Now?

https://www.quantamagazine.org/ai-proved-the-quasi-riemann-hypothesis-what-happens-now-20261019/
1•ibobev•11m ago•0 comments

Decoding base64 in Python at 10 gigabytes per second

https://lemire.me/blog/2026/10/17/decoding-base64-in-python-at-10-gigabytes-per-second/
2•ibobev•11m ago•0 comments

Show HN: ProvLedger – stops coding agents repeating mistakes

https://github.com/yizhao95/prov_ledger
2•yzhao950213•11m ago•1 comments

The Bourgain Project

https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2026/10/19/the-bourgain-project/
1•smilelamp•11m ago•0 comments

Anthropic commits 5% of shares to new public benefit fund

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2026/10/19/anthropic-commits-5percent-of-shares-to-new-public-benefit-...
1•geox•12m ago•0 comments

I Tried to Verify Rust OSS with Lean 4 and Found Many Bugs

https://medium.com/@Koukyosyumei/i-tried-to-formally-verify-popular-rust-projects-with-lean-4-but...
3•syumei•12m ago•0 comments

Surveying the landscape of CSS microframeworks (2023)

https://blakewatson.com/journal/surveying-the-landscape-of-css-micro-frameworks/
1•ForHackernews•14m ago•0 comments

Toronto man accused of driving rental car 30k kms in just 7 days

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2026/10/19/toronto-man-rental-car-30-thousand-kms-avis-seven-days/
2•breitling•14m ago•0 comments

Linux KVM guest-host escape rated critical

https://www.theregister.com/virtualization/2026/10/19/linux-kvm-guest-host-escape-rated-critical-...
2•mooreds•15m ago•0 comments

Building a Dependency Graph of Our Python Codebase

https://www.hudsonrivertrading.com/hrtbeat/dependency-graph-python-codebase
1•Tommkruix123•15m ago•0 comments

Maths, Metal, and Mandelbrot

https://blog.jacobstechtavern.com/p/maths-metal-mandelbrot
1•jakey_bakey•15m ago•0 comments

Who Will Benefit from the AI Revolution?

https://time.com/article/2026/10/19/who-will-benefit-from-the-ai-revolution-/
1•voxleone•16m ago•0 comments

Spirit Room – Test whether agents can find and use your MCP tools

https://spiritroom.app/
1•LeonidBugaev•17m ago•0 comments

Claude Code, Codex and OpenCode Find MCP Tools

https://spiritroom.app/blog/optimise-mcp-tools-for-agents/
1•LeonidBugaev•18m ago•0 comments

The Download: preserving the Arctic permafrost, and playful AI agents

https://www.technologyreview.com/2026/10/19/1147103/the-download-preserving-the-arctic-permafrost...
1•joozio•19m ago•0 comments

Why TypeScript lets you overrule its type checker

https://www.ultracite.ai/research/type-escape-hatches
1•fmerian•20m ago•0 comments

Python's binary wheels and supply chain attacks

https://rushter.com/blog/python-binary-wheels/
1•theanonymousone•21m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

I no longer care to work on any Ruby gems so I've archived all my repositories

https://po-ru.com/2026/10/18/why-im-no-longer-updating-this-repository
149•phoronixrly•43m ago

Comments

lbrito•36m ago
What a great phrase!

>When people claim that it’s no longer sustainable to write code by hand, they’re not entirely wrong, but only in the same way that it’s no longer sustainable to sleep in a bed once someone has taken a shit in it.

vegnus•33m ago
Doesn't that imply that there's nothing inherently wrong about shitting in someone's bed and then sleeping in it?
phoronixrly•32m ago
Only if you're into vibe coding.
smallerize•32m ago
They mean it's technically possible, but you wouldn't want to.
throwawaysleep•29m ago
Society is pretty tolerant about this though?
SoftTalker•25m ago
Who is anyone to judge another person's kinks?
pc86•21m ago
What kind of autism is it that makes someone dig into the specific technical implications of a joke about sleeping in a bed someone took a shit in?
10111001•30m ago
The trick to sleeping in a shit-covered bed is to slap a big sheet of plastic on it and never look under it.

The Claude Code development team has pioneered that new way of sleeping.

hypfer•25m ago
I have been told that it keeps you warm and adapts to your body's shape for increased comfort.
sheepscreek•23m ago
Still have to deal with the stench. But nothing a nose clip can't solve, I reckon?
chrismarlow9•3m ago
"shit fast and break things!"
10111001•23m ago
Just tell yourself you've upgraded to a waterbed. No way you're sleeping on a steaming bag of diarrhea (DO NOT CHECK!).
runarberg•22m ago
I have been told it is the future of sleeping, and if I don‘t sleep with a plastic cover directing the pooping agent I will fall behind and eventually become obsolete. And that sleeping like this will eventually cure cancer and build swarms of mining rigs in space.
sheepscreek•20m ago
Quite profound.

I think the author is trying to say that a code base once infected with vibes, becomes indecipherable to the average human being. It's still just code, but full of Claudisms.

wk_end•2m ago
100%. Although large handwritten software code bases are often indecipherable to the average human being (actually, almost always indecipherable to the average human being, but often indecipherable even to skilled software engineers too); sometimes due to inherent complexities, sometimes due to Enterprise-isms.
x187463•16m ago
This is not representative of what's actually going on, though. It's much more like an artisan carpenter who wants to build houses using bespoke hand-tools and precise joinery. That's great, and there are beautiful works of art created by those skills. But in the last year robots were developed that build homes exactly to spec. The robots work 24/7 and finish entire houses in a few days. That same skilled carpenter is being hired to monitor the robots and check over their work. There is, economically speaking, no place in the process for him to apply his craft. In the time he rips a single board, the robots build the wall. In the time he drives a handful of nails, the drywall is up and the paint is drying. He costs $200/hr, the robots cost $1/hr.

The carpenter is free to exercise his craft as he see's fit, but it's going to take place mostly in his personal workshop, for personal reasons, not to develop homes or run a business in the way he did before.

We can talk for ages about the quality of the robot's work, the maintainability of the resulting home, etc. But it's clear that, at this time, the market and ecosystem are embracing the robots whole-heartedly so those of us used to the old ways are having to rapidly adjust.

symfoniq•12m ago
Except the robots actually cost far more than $1/hour, it’s just that the owners have enough capital to operate at a massive loss until the carpenters have largely been replaced. Only then will we learn what the robots actually cost.
jacquesm•9m ago
Good luck with the eventual rugpull. It always happens.

(1) We help you

(2) We undercut you

(3) You go out of business

(4) Your buddies go out of business as well

(5) Prices start rising

Supermarkets, restaurant chains, mathematicians or programmers it makes no difference.

luckydata•10m ago
sounds like bullshit. I'm actually glad that the people that hold this view are getting out of the way, they are the people that gatekept open source and made it annoying to work with. Do I miss having to wait for months to fix a trivial bug because I first need to convince 15 people that the fix is even necessary?

No, not really.

barbazoo•9m ago
Let's be honest though, maybe "in the same way it's no longer feasible for tailors to spin their own yarn and weave their own cloth".
serf•8m ago
i'm sick of scatological metaphor.

Next time someone complains about software do me a favor and compare it to a nail through the foot or grabbing a hot dish and burning yourself or something else negative in the human experience. There is plenty to choose from.

We don't need 300 variations of enshitification, the folks at Pompeii and Herculaneum have that well covered.

dahrkael•33m ago
Ruby is still fun to write, in fact I make the LLMs write the underlying libraries in Rust while I enjoy writing Ruby on top. win win
rsolva•33m ago
I'm so conflicted about this. I do love being able to create and bring ideas to life at the light of speed. But I also see the unique value in the experience of coding, deeply caring about the craft. Can we have both?
throwawaysleep•30m ago
You can have both, but there are very few people who care about it purely as a craft. They want pay, recognition, etc along with it.
10111001•27m ago
> I'm so conflicted about this. I do love being able to create and bring ideas to life at the light of speed. But I also see the unique value in the experience of coding, deeply caring about the craft. Can we have both?

Yes, but only if you're very wealthy.

As always, everyone else can suck it.

n4bz0r•20m ago
If the client cares for your craftsmanship.
sanderjd•15m ago
I think it's like any other craft. Buildings and most furniture are built using mass produced lumber and machinery, but many people still enjoy doing woodworking by hand.
croes•7m ago
As a hobby you can’t live from
varispeed•31m ago
> In that context, I no longer feel inspired to contribute to a commons that’s being strip-mined by massive corporations

Open-source was always strip-mined by massive corporations. It was main source of free labour for decades.

Unfortunately there are always people willing to subsidise these corporations with their time for a badge of "honour" and few pats on the back.

Great to see more people awaken to the fact corporations thrive on unpaid work whilst making billions for their shareholders.

I am yet to see this trickle down wink

pietro72ohboy•23m ago
I really would like to believe that GPL is the answer here but I know it won’t change anything for them. If they can steal and destroy books, nothing will ever stop them.
srdjanr•15m ago
If LLMs aren't an example of trickle down, I don't know what is
flerchin•31m ago
> You want changes? Go ask your agent or something. I’m told that’s what you’re supposed to do now. I’m out.

Totally fair. The source code is open. Thanks for all the fish.

23jah76•31m ago
"But even beyond Rails, the Ruby language itself is now substantially developed using LLM agents. Matz is giving talks repositioning Ruby as a “Programming Language for AI age”, to be emitted by LLM agents, and stating that to be able to do that LLMs need to consume more good human-written Ruby code. You might already have seen the problem here."

Insane. This is the guy who was proclaimed to be "nice" by his followers. The biggest LLM sellouts in open source are Ruby and Scala.

Ironically Oracle with Java is now being the good guy.

lbrito•24m ago
I'm glad someone else called out Matz on this.

He started being ambivalent about it maybe two years ago, and reached metastasis in the latest Rails World fiasco, with dhh telling him to his face that his life's work (Matz's terms) is irrelevant now.

bloggk•13m ago
Yep, the uncultivated race car driver (dhh) and the snowboarder (Lütke) own Matz now. They can insult him in public and he complies.

I'm not sure why he isn't rich enough to walk away.

delichon•23m ago
You can't both be nice and believe that LLMs are useful tools?
bloggk•19m ago
Did you read the quote from the article?
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swiftcoder•31m ago
One of the most underrated abilities in this industry is knowing when to walk away from something that no longer bring you joy. It's sad that it has come to this, but I'm sure the OP will find something more fun to do with their time.
nadermx•25m ago
I'd say just knowing when to walk away in anything, not just this industry, is one of the best skills you can have as a human.
matwood•23m ago
In general, figuring out what you want and working towards that is much harder than people realize.
tempest_•29m ago
I have wondered where we are with stuff like this.

I myself have been using an open source lib that I contributed a fix for and inquired about it. I didn't just drop a PR either, opened an issue, was told PRs accepted, opened a PR, signed a license agreement and then the PR just sort hung out for months without response even after some gentle prodding.

Now, they don't owe me anything and they don't have to merge the code, it is their repo after all. However what did I do? use an LLM, fork the repo with my changes and now "I" maintain that private fork and add to it as needed.

As time goes on I think these smaller packages / clients will start to disappear as people/LLMs just spit out a client library or whatever or just implement the same thing over and over. Combined with the opinion of the author I figure oss libs for npm, ruby, pypi etc will start to dwindle.

aaronax•11m ago
Eventually maintainers will just throw up their hands and leave the repo under the care of a LLM. "Merge PRs that align with the product's vision/design/intention. Meticulously examine for malicious contributions. Email me if there are doubts."

The top tier LLMs would be as good at this as a lot of maintainers, right?

micromacrofoot•28m ago
I know of at least 3 significant rails projects/donors that are actively discussing AI-lead refactors since DHH's talk declaring rails dead. Even if you like the language it's going to be a total mess in a year or two.
InsidiousWombat•3m ago
I'd rather tell LLM to rewrite project in Python. There is no good reason to use Ruby/Rails now, the community and job market is shrinking and the language is nothing special.
ttul•26m ago
I was chatting with a friend who commits on a very well known open source project (~80K stars). He is disillusioned not because the robots aren't good at what they do -- they totally are. The sad thing is that he enjoyed writing code and working with the community on improvements because it was a very human, collaborative thing to do. So, while the robots are great at pushing the project forward even faster and doing fantastic things for security and performance, the joy is gone.

I can totally identify with that feeling. It must be how professional mathematicians are feeling as well.

rco8786•18m ago
Everyone in SWE (who got into it for the love of writing code) is experiencing this. I've been direct with my team about it being a legitimate feeling of grief and the grieving process that comes along with it. It's been helpful for folks to hear that they aren't alone in that feeling.

And also that on the other side of that grief is something new and potentially exciting, but very different than what we're all used to.

rationalist•15m ago
Of course this does not undo any grief, dismiss it, or better their situation:

I don't know if it helps, but they should know that for every one of them that experiences this grief, it brings joy to ten other people that are now able to do things (make vibe-coded programs) that used to be out of reach for them.

rubikscube09•11m ago
that probably makes it feel even worse for most people

imagine spending years to develop mastery of something that anyone can do now? For example, sitting your ass down in college, debugging lines of code on a Saturday night while people are out partying? It's fun to do, sure, but there's still a huge opportunity cost.

It's easy to say that such people are prideful, arrogant, only cares about being better than others, but I think such a feeling sucks for 99% of the population that are not siddharthas.

thrownaway561•25m ago
whatever... i guess pissed in his cheerios this morning and he decided to rage quit. trust me, you won't be missed. That's the best thing about LLMs and agents coding now... you aren't held hostage by someone else for a library you depend on. If you need it, you can create it or update it yourself now.

These developers whom have this God complex are going to find out they were Gods in their own minds real quickly.

BugsJustFindMe•20m ago
Way to completely miss the point in the most embarrassing way possible.
thrownaway561•14m ago
I stand by what I said and the point wasn't missed. You can still program by hand if you want. This dude is just embarrassing himself by crying that he is no longer relevant since agents can do the work now.
aniviacat•16m ago
> you aren't held hostage by someone else for a library you depend on

Is this really the way you look at open-source libraries that are given to you for free, i.e. as a gift? I hope you look differently at gifts people give you in real life.

thrownaway561•12m ago
I wrote open source libraries and frameworks for years. some successful, some not. I never bitched about it, I did it to give back and because I loved it.
ilamont•19m ago
I can't speak to Ruby or other programming languages, but as a creator and occasional hacker with a media background, I have found AI to be incredibly liberating.

Now I can build things that would never have been possible without huge investments of time and/or money. The latest project: a hybrid human/AI tech newsroom that leverages LLM-driven advances in translation (https://asia-tech-news.ghost.io).

For my personal passions, LLMs have completely opened up areas that simply were extremely painful to deal with 5 or 10 years ago. Take genealogy: I used to manually transcribe old letters, and documents in foreign languages (often archaic specialized terms) were impossible for me to work with without seeking out specialized experts. The other night I had an AI go through a book of 200-year-old religious records and pick out references to potential ancestors. A few weeks earlier I worked on an old diary transcription (https://youtu.be/P6r1I-4T9is?si=qhaf3Wd5zZNjieEw) which I later shared with relatives to proof and enjoy. Such tasks are no longer a chore. It's fun again.

The closest comparison I can make was stumbling upon an old HTML tutorial on an MIT website 30+ years ago. All of a sudden, as a writer and creator, I was no longer tied to my employer's business model to get my words and images out to the world.

t-writescode•14m ago
There’s lots of ways to find joy in things.

Take woodworking. For some people, the act and meditative work of building it piece by piece is the part that they strive for. For others, it’s the planning phase and the “how will all these pieces go together” phase. For even others, it’s the staining phase. Some people like every part, others like just one part and work through all that extra just to get the chance to do that next part. For some, while they may not enjoy the preface to the work they want, they appreciate it because they feel that blitzing past it cheapens the stage they love.

Everyone is different and AI is hitting everyone just a little bit differently, and that’s just in areas that directly impact their specific craft.

Chance-Device•16m ago
This is an overreaction. Yes, with AI we can all write our own features and bug fixes for open source, but there’s still community benefit in having a canonical version somewhere, rather than everyone writing bespoke solutions for themselves.
swiftcoder•7m ago
> there’s still community benefit in having a canonical version somewhere, rather than everyone writing bespoke solutions for themselves.

There is sharply reduced benefit to the maintainer, however as they are now buried in slop bug reports and PRs, and a bunch of people with no context and a Claude subscription think they can do it better.

I expect a lot of open-source maintainers will walk away from that particular bargain in the near future

Chance-Device•3m ago
Would you prefer we leave it entirely to the AIs? That’s an option, probably the default option. If you’re opposed to it, then why advocate for it?
erulabs•12m ago
while I appreciate the authors contributions to the ecosystem, I dont recommend anyone throw a tantrum on their way out the door. So you disagree with DHH (On what? Just everything I guess? No discussion worth having at all?) and you disagree with Matz (we're supposed to intuit what the 'problem' is; I'm assuming that he uses LLMs?).

Its definitely reasonable to be sad about the loss of our craft, but lashing out at others in a vague and undefined way is not it.

1agf•2m ago
Workers, shut up and listen to your betters.
lifeisloving•12m ago
The robots aren't as good as you think. Its just that we're sceamed at all fay by hoardes of people saying they are.

Some of the least skilled people are doing the screaming. They desperately want to establish a consensus that anyome can do what you do now and being skilled doesnt matter...

You know why? Because they have no skills, they're mediocre and the best way they can succeed in a meritocracy without skills is to get people with actual skills to give up, or become meat proxies for the machine like yourself, then maybe you'd stnad a chance.

People will downvote me here, and tell me I dont get it. No I do, you're not skilled and you dont want to have to compete on your own merits. You want me to be impressed with you because you make things with llms. Im not.

jacquesm•11m ago
This is going to be happening all over the place. I've released some code in the past but I'm definitely not going to do so again without ironclad agreements in place about AI ingestion. I'm not going to help the likes of Amodei and Altman to a further increase in their power, my goal was to help normal people not weird cult-like corporations and I suspect that a lot of people that have released code over the years have the same attitude (though obviously not all of them).
waffletower•11m ago
Ruby is definitely not bringing me joy since I have to see needlessly depressing articles like this. Rails did not bring me joy 12 years ago when I needed to update dependencies for a legacy cloud service we relied on. Ruby's middling syntax didn't bring me joy either, despite the hype of the time. My child named our cat Ruby, and I had to explain to fellow nerds that it wasn't inspired by the language.
CodeWriter23•10m ago
"I refuse to code in this language due to the language founders imagined future political leanings" is not a flex.
block_dagger•10m ago
> LLMs need to consume more good human-written Ruby code. You might already have seen the problem here.

You might already have _been_ the problem here.

Fixed that typo ;)

ForHackernews•6m ago
> You want changes? Go ask your agent or something. I’m told that’s what you’re supposed to do now.

Entirely fair. It will be very very interesting to see what happens to software when everyone is running their own vendored fork trying to maintain them with AI agents.

Will the whole thing collapse under its own complexity? Or will smarter agents eventually dig their way out of the hole dug by their predecessors?

lp4v4n•4m ago
That's a real issue in my opinion.

A lot of people get involved in open source because of the sense of community or because they like the idea of giving something to the world.

What's the point in contributing to opensource if your work gets violated by vibecoders and corps that disrespect your licensing and give you no credit while simultaneously clamiing your work is useless and you're going to be replaced by a LLM model?

Any ecosystem declines when there are too many cynical grifters compared to well meaning hard working people.

zzzeek•4m ago
Is it me or do most of these "I'm quitting programming" posts seem to be coming from the Ruby community?
rglover•2m ago
I have a strange feeling that we'll see an increasing number of these to the point where we'll start to see legitimate issues in ecosystems as real talent exits (due to projects no longer evolving, being deprecated, etc as a response to AI).

Will be quite funny when there's a noticeable decline in stability and development—despite having AI—because it turns out you actually need talented, creative people to build the building blocks the AI spits out. LLMs can parrot but they're basically the Crazy Town [1] of software development.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI6xffJn4-w

21m ago
> Ironically Oracle [...] is now being the good guy.

Reminder: oracle is also an acronym, and you might want to take a gander at what its subject is up to.

There is no future in which oracle is the good guy no matter the axis. Least of all the subject of AI.

tra3•21m ago
Seems unnecessarily harsh. LLMs are a power tool. I'm not on-board with how it's being used in a lot of places, once things shake out I believe it's going to be net positive.
NitpickLawyer•15m ago
> The biggest LLM sellouts in open source

I'm pretty sure someone will soon call Linus a sell-out. The hate / denial / radicalisation is just sad at this point... Do, or don't, but at least don't hate the others. Be and let be. No need to call other people names just because you don't like their sand castle. There's plenty of sand on the beach.

erulabs•9m ago
'Oracle is the good guy' is a sort of canary in the coal mine that perhaps you've got your worldview a bit upside down
1agf•4m ago
I think that sentence wasn't written for autist AI cheerleaders with an AI girlfriend.
barbazoo•14m ago
> Everyone in SWE is experiencing this.

Obviously this is not true for every SWE. A lot of people feel liberated now that the burden of actually writing the code is being replaced by molding it through the interaction with AI. I see people that struggle because they've identified with the writing code part a lot and that's gone now that the machine is doing it, I bet that's hard.

NetOpWibby•13m ago
People hate generalizations
sashank_1509•12m ago
People who hated coding, technology, problem solving and only were in it for the money love managing a bunch of agents. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of them were in technology. I hope agents quickly become good enough to completely commoditize any supposed function they perform, and forces them to leave this industry.
darth_avocado•8m ago
> People who hated coding, technology, problem solving and only were in it for the money love managing a bunch of agents

In other words, people who just wanted to become managers.

erulabs•7m ago
You can love technology and still have thought that coding was a required path to get to technology and not the ends unto itself.

If someone loves building technology products that doesn't mean they were "only in it for the money". Beyond just being disparaging for no reason, you're missing the path out of the depression-pit here.

intorio•6m ago
Why did you expand it from what he said? I love technology, I enjoy being able to solve problems with technology and coding. I've always felt neutral about the actual act of coding, it was always just a means to the end and now I love that I can do more problem solving in less time and with less toil (from my view). But I guess I was just in it for the money.
barbazoo•6m ago
> People who hated coding, technology, problem solving and only were in it for the money love managing a bunch of agents.

Why do they have to hate coding, technology and problem solving, that makes no sense. They just use coding agents to write the code for them to use technology and solve problem.

aroman•4m ago
This is an extremely “all or nothing” take. I love computers and started programming in elementary school. I am having more fun now building software than I can remember.

I happen to love the process of building software by coordinating agents. It’s an addictive form of flow state that I enjoy a great deal - similar to the flow state I get playing real time strategy games like Age of Empires. It’s a different kind of flow state than writing code, for sure.

But to say that the only people who enjoy building software in this new way are those who hated coding, technology, or problem solving is simply untrue.

lbrito•9m ago
Soon enough the clankers will automate that part too. I'm eager to see how "liberated" those people are going to feel then.
barbazoo•1m ago
Totally, I can't quite imagine an AI automating my use of AI tough, how it would infer what prompt I would use at any given time, the problem space is infinite. Am I adding another *arr app to my stack, are we building a SPA, a home automation plugin, whatever. These are things that I want to do and AI helps with that.

In the corporate setting I think though it won't take a lot of time to reduce the layers and number of people that are required to run a software company. Either one becomes a more general work manager or obsolete I guess.

InsidiousWombat•7m ago
Yes. The people that didn't enjoy coding say that.

AI is great enabler for stuff that you don't want to be good at, it cut a ton of chore type jobs out of my workflow, but for stuff you do want to get better and care for, it's both joy killer, and if you're not careful you will only learn how to prompt, not how the stuff works.

spiderfarmer•12m ago
Not everyone. I’ve been a solo entrepreneur since 2015. Developing stuff now feels like I can unwrap a present every day.

I never cared about the social aspects of it other than releasing the odd plugin I developed.

My social life is entirely offline.

waffletower•7m ago
> Everyone in SWE (who got into it for the love of writing code) is experiencing this.

Speak for yourself.

bijowo1676•18m ago
it feels like a transition from artisan level work to factory based industrial manufacturing.

the functionally same product is still being made, but there is less human involvement in the craft, and more of a human management over the manufacturing process

Loquebantur•17m ago
Just like with mathematicians, is it all really just about people losing a random, replaceable job and what they enjoyed about it?

Being able to program means in particular, you can read those programs and understand what they do.

What happens when you don't understand them anymore?

Living in a reality where everything is a black box, doing its thing as if by magic, leaves you in a position devoid of control. The objects upholding your life are incomprehensible to you, you cannot change them or even only reliably exchange them with alternatives.

swiftcoder•11m ago
> What happens when you don't understand them anymore?

The chilling bit is that the machines are doing just fine on the understanding programs front (up to and including decompiling them from machine code).

rubikscube09•8m ago
but so many things we have are black boxes now. do people need to understand how cars work to drive them properly?

And even if you understand how it works, how does it affect your day-to-day function or the advancement of the field? As Apple liked to say, It Just Works (TM).

satellites•2m ago
A more apt analogy would be if self-driving cars fully take over, such that most people don't even know how to drive, let alone how an engine works.

Instead of driving you're telling a piece of nondeterministic software where you'd like to go and then watching the result as a passenger.

ranger_danger•8m ago
> Just like with mathematicians, is it all really just about people losing a random, replaceable job and what they enjoyed about it?

For me it's about losing much of the entire career, because companies will come to expect AI-level work that I can't/won't provide.

> Being able to program means in particular, you can read those programs and understand what they do.

IMO This assumes that one views programming as more than just a job/career, but not everyone does so.

> Living in a reality where everything is a black box, doing its thing as if by magic, leaves you in a position devoid of control.

For some, this is actually relieving. Sometimes we want to be more ignorant, sometimes it makes us happier.

wk_end•6m ago
That's the way the world's been since the integrated circuit was first developed, for better or worse.
abstractcontrol•6m ago
I am always doing everything alone, so I am liking the LLMs a lot. My own code is very good, but nobody but myself cared about that. Even the one job that I got which allowed me to gather the capital needed to move into trading feels like complete luck. This is a new golden age for entrepreneurs and apocalypse for wage workers. Nobody whose status depends on his own productivity would complain about it going up sharply.

Probably the LLMs saved me because deep down I knew that my own power by itself wouldn't be enough to let me do what I really want, but right now the future does seem bright.

majorchord•5m ago
How is that being disillusioned?
michaelbarton•7m ago
I notice you did not write the sanding phase - because no one likes that part.
ilamont•4m ago
> Everyone is different and AI is hitting everyone just a little bit differently, and that’s just in areas that directly impact their specific craft.

That's a great point. I don't have experience with woodworking, but when I see a piece of good antique furniture with precise dove-tail joints that someone made hundreds of years ago, that brings me joy.

As a writer, and as a reader, I really value human-crafted insights, like many of the comments I see every day on HN. As many people have stated elsewhere, writing forces you to organize your thoughts.

But I also recognize that there is a place for machine-generated content, whether it's the weather report on my phone or the factory-produced chair I'm sitting on now.

I don't think the story of artificial intelligence is "humans will stop creating." AIs are powerful tools, but they shouldn't be regarded as mutually exclusive with people who like to create things. Some will create in old ways. Some will create in new ways. Others will move onto new ways of creating.

jmaw•6m ago
It definitely varies person-by-person. People who enjoyed l33tcoding, the act of programming, and the building process feel one way vs. the people who are in it for the end product, or enjoy the design process feel another. In a way, it's almost like those who enjoy the journey vs. the result (although the design process is also a journey).

Personally I enjoyed the act of programming/building. I'm struggling to put this into words, but software engineers have often been interested in solving technical problems, rather than business problems. At least I've felt this personally. I'm working on shifting that enjoyment toward the requirements gathering/design process. At the end of the day, it's still problem solving (which is the root of what I enjoy). But now it's more focused on solving business problems vs. technical problems. Which at the end of the day, is what is valuable to the business.

From the business perspective, this is great, because the end goal of software for the business is "business value". But it is a tough shift for some people to make (me included).