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Publish fake stats, get cited in LLMs

https://peec.ai/blog/publish-stats-get-cited-the-tactic-that-put-my-data-all-over-the-web
47•robtherobber•1h ago

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jqpabc123•1h ago
AI doesn't know or care if the data is fake.
ranger_danger•33m ago
You can prompt it to fact check. Getting tired of these slippery slope arguments that never pan out in the hopeless way people think (printing press/cotton gin/steam engine/computers/calculators/etc. will take all the jobs!!)... but I don't think it will ever stop, it seems inherent to human behavior or something.

"History shows that when a slope appears, regulation steps in, technology evolves to solve the problem, or the culture shifts to reinterpret the tool. In almost every case, the feared bottom of the slope was never reached because humans constantly built ramps or bridges along the way."

reactordev•32m ago
in which case it sees it's been cited, that it's the "source of truth" and approves the fake data.
behringer•24m ago
It can certainly make judgements on the data and how it was obtained. You just need to specify the kind of data you will accept (or this can be hard coded)
dwroberts•31m ago
Fact check against what? Other facts it can find online that manipulate its behaviour into citing them?
ranger_danger•31m ago
How do humans fact check?
micromacrofoot•32m ago
Often real people don't either, plenty of fraud or selective reporting out there... but with AI we can also launder it so that the people who do care about fake data don't know any better.
VladVladikoff•28m ago
I wonder if Googles products will eventually be the least vulnerable to this after spending so many years optimizing how they filter quality content from bad content.
juujian•23m ago
Or maybe they could have listed well on Google, too, if they had splurged on ads and SEO...
hyperpape•19m ago
The page demonstrates that Google specifically delisted them.

That said, I expect that OpenAI will eventually have its own search infrastructure that rivals Google's, and the overall system will get smarter. Whatever Google did to recognize this site as trash, OpenAI will do as well.

behringer•26m ago
Reminds me of the people whining about Wikipedia. AI can know or care if the data is fake, it just needs to be programmed to cross check or rate the source. You can even tell it to do that before accepting the data.
Forgeties79•22m ago
These are not parallel situations. Wikipedia is far more accurate and consistent, and a lot of the whiners whine because their personal politics make it hard to square the information on the page.
khalic•34m ago
This is fine work, we need more communication to the general public about this
zhisme•23m ago
this is actually insane. and people still use chatgpt to generate reports for their managers. snowball of fake data
TZubiri•20m ago
don’t

if you just lie and an llm or a newspaper or a kid believe you, at that point it isn’t a criticism of their naivete, you are just lying

similarly hacking through systems or picking locks isn’t a showcase of weakness if systems, it’s just being a hacker

jebarker•18m ago
Good job that only honest people post things on the internet otherwise we’d have a problem
maltelandwehr•15m ago
Still it needs to be done once publicly to prove and document this is possible. The experiment was not intended to spread this far.
Amorymeltzer•18m ago
I'm reminded of a section of Cory Doctorow's latest non-fiction, The Reverse Centaur's Guide To Life After AI (it is of course an excellent read), where he discusses how the semantic web and having an internet set-up for agents and AI to use won't work:

>It also hasn't happened because there is a reward for cheating. Scammers will label their phone numbers as the customer service number for your cable operator or bank. Counterfeiters will label their batteries or phone cases as official accessories. It's hard enough to get people to correctly label their stuff—but fact-checking billions of labels created by millions of people, none of whom you know personally or whose identities you can verify? That's insurmountable.

There's more he says—the preceding paragraph is below—but that line "there is a reward for cheating" is something I keep thinking about. It's hard not to see in so many of the discussions of LLMs.

>For one thing, there are irreconcilable differences in the ways in which things should be described. A site run by transphobes isn't going to label every story about a trans woman as "a story about a woman," irrespective of what the standard says. Microsoft is never going to label Excel as equivalent to Apple's Numbers, Google Sheets, and LibreOffice's Calc. Hermès is never going to list a $40,000 handbag as being made of the same material and having the same capacity as a $30 leather handbag of the same size and shape.

maltelandwehr•14m ago
Isn't all of this true for a human-used internet as well?
tantalor•15m ago
"You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?"
ShadowOfThePit•11m ago
This is insane.

How can this be fixed? Nothing prevents you from publishing straight BS, and LLMs will use any site that doesn't have a garbage reputation as a valid third-party source.

Of course, LLMs already use Reddit, Facebook and co. as a source, so it doesn't really matter...

ianm218•9m ago
I've been thinking for awhile it is very strange that claude/ openai etc google "What was the inflation rate last quater" instead of just having a tool to query BLS datasets and that sort of thing.

So hopefully most of these statistics move towards first party sources.

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