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GPT-6.1 Terra

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-6-1-terra/
142•meetpateltech•1h ago

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A_D_E_P_T•53m ago
Wow. If those charts are true, this effectively matches GPT-6-Astra at a fraction of the cost, and is neck-and-neck with 6.1-Sol.
tristanj•43m ago
Not necessarily, they may have selected benchmarks where Terra performs relatively well compared to those models. Pretty much every model release these days just cherry-picks & highlights the benchmarks where their latest model performs best. We'll have to wait for the complete benchmark suite to have a better picture.
user43928•40m ago
Looks great on the first chart, but terrible on the Terminal Bench 4.0 where it needs xhigh to come close to 6.1 Sol, and costs more for a slightly worse result.
enraged_camel•53m ago
People keep asking OpenAI for a mode that's as good as Opus 5.5, and they release this instead. Interesting strategy. Let's see how it works out for them.
babelfish•46m ago
Taking the benchmarks in the article at face value, this is ~on par with Opus 5.5 for ~1/4 the price!
enraged_camel•42m ago
...no it's not? At max effort, it scores 50% on terminal bench vs. Opus 5.5's 70%.
babelfish•40m ago
ALE (top benchmark in post) is 60% for Terra vs 63% for Opus - I guess we'll have to wait for AA Index!
saretup•11m ago
48 for GPT-6.1 Terra Max vs 58 for Opus 5.5 Max on AA Index
mwigdahl•41m ago
Which is why I don't take the benchmarks at face value...
babelfish•40m ago
So you have decided the model is bad without having used it yet?
cbg0•36m ago
If they had a model on par with Opus 5.5 there would be no need to undercut it by that much, that's probably the logic.
simianwords•52m ago
The benchmarks are already saturated and the curves for Terra stick to the axes.
Archit3ch•41m ago
I rather enjoy OpenAI's focus on cost-per-task.

I'm optimistic about them tackling frontier intelligence next. Astra 6.1 please?

Starlevel004•40m ago
That terminal bench 4.0 result is... bad? Terra XHigh more expensive than Sol Low and still does worse.

It's very likely this is a next checkpoint of GPT-6 "Sol", over-optimised for the web chat and offered to Codex subscribers as a "please go away" offering.

If this was half the price, I'd be very interested, but at 1/5/0.05? Feels like another panic release because they can't get Astra 6.1 out of the door...

minimaxir•40m ago
Similar 75% price cut trajectory as GPT-5.6 Sol -> GPT-6.1 Sol. Overall, Terra is still half the price of Sol.

But like the original release of Terra, it's still a weird middle child between the small-model-that-got-substantially-better (Luna) and the large-model-that-got-significiantly-cheaper (Sol). The TerminalBench 4.0 cost-per-task results are a bit confusing and I'm not sure why you would pick Terra over Sol in that case. Overall this release seems like a flex on Sonnet 5.5: a model which is having its own middle child problems between the godly Opus 5.5 and the surprisingly capable Haiku 5.5.

Someone1234•39m ago
I'm very confused about their model market position/naming schema.

First we had:

> Luna (Small), Terra (Medium), Sol (Big).

Which was fairly smooth after you got used to their planets.

But then they added Astra as the "Bigger," which was mostly still self-coherent:

> Luna (Small), Terra (Medium), Sol (Big), Astra (Bigger)

But then things go confusing, they released Sol-6.1 which sometimes is superior to Astra, and discontinued Terra which made it look like this:

> Luna (Small), Sol-6.1 == Astra

But with Sol-6.1 costing the old Terra-6.0 price, while, as I said performing as good as the old "Bigger" model in many non-3D/UI situations.

Now they're re-introduced Terra, as a 6.1 release, making this even more confusing.

Did Microsoft's chief branding officer move over to OpenAI?

bananaflag•38m ago
I guess it's the same as Opus 5.5 being in a way better than any Fable.
Someone1234•34m ago
That's definitely a problem too.

But minor credit to Anthropic, at least they've mostly stuck to their four model names (Haiku, Sonnet, Opus, and Fable). You mostly know where a model is MEANT to be positioned from the name alone. OpenAI cannot keep it consistent from release to release.

But, yes, currently Opus Vs. Fable has the same issue as Sol-6.1 Vs. Astra.

bluerooibos•26m ago
Yeah this isn't intuitive at all.

Both companies have screwed up their naming royally. Maybe that's intentional - I'm sure it doesn't hurt Anthropic to have people using Fable a bit longer than they need to and racking up a huge bill in the process.

paulpauper•34m ago
"better writing"

let's see if it can pass the Pangram test. Many services purport to fool it, but fail.

petesergeant•25m ago
Fooling Pangram and writing well are not the same axes, even if there’s some correlation.
Silagi•31m ago
Can anyone give me the compelling reason for Terra and Sonnet to exist?

Virtually every task I give to either is better served by going up a tier and down a reasoning level, or down a tier and up a reasoning level. I simply don't understand their use case. No testing I've done has shown them to have a niche where there isn't a cheaper-with-equal-results or more-performant-at-same-cost option.

eknkc•24m ago
On the API we use a lot of Luna (cost efficient) and sometimes Terra level models. I think we never use a larger model. These are models that our app runtimes depend on.

On subscription for coding and stuff I am basically on Astra Ultra all day long.

nfw2•21m ago
There is a chasm of performance difference between haiku and sonnet ime. Sonnet is cheaper and faster than Opus, so if you're providing a service via api where cost and speed is important, it's a big difference.
datadrivenangel•18m ago
Except Sonnet is slower, more expensive, and worse at reasoning levels above ~medium. Opus on low is faster, cheaper, and better at doing things.
datadrivenangel•21m ago
Sometimes this tier is faster, and getting a good enough result in a few seconds instead of a better result in ~15-30 seconds is a meaningful result.

I think it's also a fake lever to give to finops / it teams to try and keep costs down.

simonw•27m ago
Pelicans for GPT-6.1 Terra: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

Interesting that both "none" and "low" reasoning levels appeared not to spend any reasoning tokens at all, and in fact low ended up using less tokens and costing less than none here.

"medium" did use 496 reasoning tokens, but that's apparently not enough here to return a visible reasoning trace.

OpenAI's current frontier model lineup is gpt-6-astra, gpt-6.1-sol, gpt-6.1-terra, gpt-6-luna, so here's a comparison grid of all of their pelicans at different reasoning levels: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/openai-pelicans...

AISnakeOil•21m ago
What's the point of using it without reasoning? Isn't that what Luna's for?
simonw•18m ago
It's neat that we can now compare the Terra without reasoning pelican (cost 0.64 cents) with the equivalently priced Luna with reasoning pelicans (Luna xhigh is 0.40 cents, Luna max is 0.91 cents). I think the Terra low one compares favorably to those, though I'd suggest also comparing them on tasks more representative of real work than generating pelican SVGs!
notatoad•17m ago
a bigger model still has more built-in knowledge to draw from, even without reasoning.
throw20261022•16m ago
If they had any courage, they would release 6.1 Astra, but they don't.
rfgplk•11m ago
The next model will likely be Nova
ape4•9m ago
They say it has "A significant step up on factuality and coding". My browser is underlining "factuality" in red. AI hallucinations or hallucinatiality are still a big problem in my experience.
johnnyApplePRNG•9m ago
Is it stronger and cheaper than DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017?

If not, yawn...

rfgplk•11m ago
Anthropic models are comically overpriced. They also gobble up an obscene # of tokens to get the same result as others. The price delta is literally 5x.
entrope•16m ago
Taking the benchmarks (as reported by OpenAI) at face value, why wouldn't they show Opus 5.5 on the OS world benchmark, and show no Anthropic models at all on the "factual error rate" benchmark
hansonkd•40m ago
I hate Opus 5.5, constant overreach and over-engineering for any project
Silagi•37m ago
That's wild to say when comparing to the OpenAI family of models. I've never seen so many tests that validate tests that validate tests.
petesergeant•24m ago
You’re holding it wrong.
user43928•37m ago
This release is interesting for enterprise at API rates.

At least unless the Terminal Bench 4.0 score is more indicative than the other ones, because that one shows it clearly worse than 6.1 Sol for both performance and cost.

dumberquestions
•
20m ago
You're comparing different generations, any 5.5 models could be better than any 5.0 model.
pants2•14m ago
I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

It's like iPhone 17 being faster than iPhone 16 Pro. Because it's newer and benefits from advances in chip architecture, despite being a lower model tier. Sometimes different iPhone models are released at different times.

dukeyukey•36m ago
Next AGI test, when model companies have consistently good version branding.
setgree•33m ago
also am I the only person who remembers Do Kwon and the Terra/Luna debacle?? how about Gaia/Selene (admittedly harder to non-native english speakers)
QuesnayJr•33m ago
I suspect 6.1 Astra is the model that kept showing up in the news stories about an internal unreleased model trying to hack the Pentagon or whatever.
jedberg•32m ago
Part of the confusion is that it's not linear capabilities. One model is not strictly "better" than the other. They have orthogonal capabilities.

I think the names are more of a reference to price. Luna is always cheaper than terra which is cheaper than Sol which is cheaper than Astra (for the same model number).

stymaar•14m ago
> I think the names are more of a reference to price. Luna is always cheaper than terra which is cheaper than Sol which is cheaper than Astra

Per token, yes. But per task it's not even necessarily the case depending on how much thinking is needed.

meerita•30m ago
You're not alone on this. They have too many models, and too many effort levels, it starts to feel like what to chose.
redox99•27m ago
Name means size which means price

Yes, a more modern smaller model can beat an older bigger model at some tasks, that's what can be confusing.

risyachka•24m ago
Bet on purpose

“Test them all”

mediaman•18m ago
I don't understand what's so confusing about this.

The lineup of models is still the same.

There are four models: luna, terra, sol, and astra.

Pricing increases for each level. This new 6.1 Terra is 50% cheaper than Sol 6.1.

They are lowering prices for newer releases, so yes if you compare Sol 6.1 to 5.6 Terra it won't look right, but why are you doing that? Look at the same release version for comparable numbers.

Each model improves in successive releases but they maintain pricing and capability coherency within a release version.

Yes, Sol 6.1 is supposed to rival Astra for some work, which is what you'd expect from a later versioned release model against a prior release bigger model.

Assuming they release Astra 6.1 at some point, I expect it'll be better than Sol 6.1, at a higher price.

I don't understand what people are asking for here? No reductions in pricing? Different model names on every version release? Not releasing any models for a version number until they're all ready?

the__alchemist•16m ago
Hey! I think it's confusing because there is a mix of three components:

  - Model name
  - Version number
  - Effort level
All 3 of these are a one-dimensional balance of price/speed, and capability (Loose terms). The confusion is in how these overlap, how they're announced/marketed etc. So you go from 1 dimensions to 3; you can visualize it as a box. For a given task, how do you choose where in this box you select? Which regions are your favorite? Can you map each region of this 3D space to specific tasks? Label them with intuitive names?

Given the operations of the model are opaque, can you see how someone (most people?) might be confused?

Y_Y•10m ago
Effort (as it's used in the context, how many "thinking" tokens to burn) is still a free variable. It's not always shown to the end user but you can set it independently for any of these models.

After that you just have model "strength" and version number. But of course strength is only comparable at equal version number and the two axes are almost parallel.

Anthropic also does this, perhaps to a lesser extent.

BoorishBears•4m ago
It's as confusing as you want it to be.

Luna doesn't exist anymore (it's not updated)

Larger models solve harder problems, higher effort makes models work more throughly.

mediaman•3m ago
But what's the ask? This is the cleanest way I see of them doing it.

I see a ton of criticism and not a single person coming up with anything better, unless it's to take away options, like removing effort level.

What about buying Intel CPUs? A car? Electrical components?

If you're not just using this at a consumer level to ask about cooking recipes (and if that's your use case, you really don't care about API pricing, or any of this, and can just use the default), and are using it professionally, then this seems like a low bar of effort to understand what you're buying.

I do grant you the relationship between model and effort level has an unclear relationship, but there are also tradeoffs in most complex technical products that are not always clear; this is exacerbated by the fact that this product is stochastic.

Why are engineers using this as a professional tool expecting this to be bought like a consumer gadget and then blaming the maker?

thomasahle•17m ago
Training models is still not a precise science.

If you scale a model down, or switch out attention with linear attention, or introduce KV-compression, etc., you don't really know how it will affect model performance before you've trained the model.

And once you've spent millions training it, you might as well make it available if it's pareto optimal for some tasks. It also gives you more insight seeing how people use it in practice.

rao-v•15m ago
The way to think of this is that (current) inferencing hardware has natural cut points of efficient scale (assuming some optimal architecture which at this point is almost always an MOE variant), so you always have an incentive to provide 3-4 model sizes (which nicely enough often means diff speed to answer also).

You are also rolling the training of your models by size and the lat est small model can sometimes beat an older model.

For a while we thought you just train the big model first then distill smaller models from it but since we've learnt the importance of on policy RL (basically the way a small model figures out a problem is very diff from a big model so it's best to RL optimize each model distinctly)

fallingbananna•7m ago
Flip it around. The number (generation) is the most important. Just like it's often with hardware.

And some variants (e.g., the medium one) being skipped or delayed for a certain generation doesn't really change the overall size branding.

onlyrealcuzzo•5m ago
It's especially confusing because Sol 6.1 is mostly just Astra but 10x slower at 1/10th the price - unless you pay for it to be as fast as Astra - at which point it's the same speed and price...

It's nice that they have Terra which seems to fill a void that's been needed since Sol 6 focused on cost (at the expense of quality), Sol 6.1 got a huge boost in quality, but became unusably slow unless you paid Astra prices - at which point, why not just use Astra?

Now at least we have a viable other option again.

tedsanders•3m ago
I work at OpenAI and I can try to explain our logic.

In general, LLM performance is incredibly multidimensional. There's no guarantee of a fixed ordering where the model that is best at math is also the model that's best at jokes. Despite that complexity, much of the variation in performance is explained by just a single variable: model size. In general, models that are bigger will (a) be more performant / reliable, (b) cost more per token, and (c) have better recall of esoteric facts. As you note, our models are ordered:

Luna < Terra < Sol < Astra

Even today, I'd recommend this as a general starting point for picking models. If you care about quality only, pick Astra. If you're a bit price sensitive, pick Sol. If you're very price sensitive, pick Terra or Luna.

Of course, model size doesn't capture all variation. Models that are trained later might have new data or new techniques or new architectures that earlier models lack. You can see this with models from all providers - Sonnet 5.5 outperforms Fable 5.1 in ways, and Gemini 3.8 Flash outperforms 3.1 Pro in ways.

In the case of GPT-6.1 Terra, I'd say Terra is probably better than Astra and Sol at technical communication, similar on vision and computer use (while being faster / cheaper), and a bit worse on most other things. For API developers, it's a nice midrange option where want something cheaper than Sol but a lot smarter than Luna. For subscribers, it's not a bombshell release - if you're hitting usage limits, maybe it helps you go a bit further, and if you want clearer communication or faster computer use, it can be a nice option to select.

If you have suggestions on how to name our products better, I'm all ears. Our intention to make things clear and simple, even if we miss the mark sometimes.

rfgplk•19m ago
Cheap and affordable. Dispatching proper tasks to these models can save you a huge % of your quota. Especially if you _know_ the task is simple (ie add something here or there, or archive a bunch of files and reformat kinda thing)
Silagi•14m ago
Maybe it's my tasks, but in the cases you're describing, I'm usually better off going down to Luna. I specifically don't see the gap where "It's too complex for Luna-high" and "It's not complex enough for Sol-low" exists.
rfgplk•9m ago
I've personally found that most models completely collapse at sub-medium effort. I generally run most of my stuff at medium/xhigh with heavy core tasks @ max
notatoad•16m ago
i use sonnet to generate answers to help-desk tickets, which it does for significantly cheaper and insignificantly worse than opus.

if you're just talking about use in codex or claude code, then sure, leave it on opus all the time. but for running routine api requests, sonnet is great.

qert12•14m ago
> Can anyone give me the compelling reason for Terra and Sonnet to exist?

To justify the pricing of Sol and Astra. Old business trick.

bigcat12345678
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21m ago
Seems Gemini is way ahead in pelican drawing
kubb•13m ago
Do you have an agent scanning the front page waiting to post the pelicans?
drewbitt•6m ago
12 seconds for a pelican on low. Pretty good.

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