Genie 4

https://deepmind.google/blog/genie-4-a-new-generation-of-world-simulation/

163•acossta•58m ago

Comments

rvz•53m ago

As I said before, World models will become simulation engines of AAA games where there is no need to release the actual game artifact and even if the game exists as a binary artifact, it will never be released and will be available on their hosted cloud back-end, then simulated and streamed back to you.

So, Stadia + World Models = New generation of DRM for games.

verdverm•48m ago

Stadia is dead, the reason is playing games over the internet sucks, input lag and serious graphics degradation - this is why I cancelled

Ai generated games suck even more, no skill; no taste, there is no TLC put into them

Then there is the economics of it, cost prohibitive to (re)generate a scene and ship that over internet pipes

ZiiS•38m ago

Stadia is dead because if you have a data-center of GPUs you are using them for AI. It has nothing to do with input lag and graphics degradation.

verdverm•36m ago

stadia died way beforehand, history is useful

https://www.denofgeek.com/games/why-google-stadia-failed-shu...

ZiiS•29m ago

I am sure the are other typical Google fumbles that would have meant they were not the victor; but I am sure an equivalent service would be mainstream today if AI had not dramatically changed the economics. [also Google bought DeepMind in 2014; 'way beforehand' is and odd way to look at it]

verdverm•25m ago

I disagree, dropping below 60 FPS will be noticed and turn players away, you are not getting that with good input handling even today, it has nothing to do with GPUs and everything to do with networking

> beforehand...

is about the craze, the ChatGPT moment and beyond, when GPUs demand went exponential, not when various types of Ai algorithms were available

ActionHank•34m ago

Oh no my guy, you are misremembering, stadia died a quiet death long before AI.

The latency was no good even on fast internet for even slow games. It is and was pointless.

Matl•3m ago

Stadia was pretty good, be it OnLive was similar quality in like 2010. It even had the best version of Cyberpunk 2077 when that launched. But the model was free version of the service for a limited resolution AND you have to buy games there OR a subscription based option and you still have to buy games there.

That made no sense and wasn't a viable business model.

causal•47m ago

Game industry is still struggling to find a way to incorporate regular LLMs without suffering catastrophic edge cases. A long way to go before these can do more than fancy tech demo, I think.

pixl97•45m ago

And? Just spin up some open world model and pay for the compute and play your own games?

There are so many options for games now that just sticking with the biggest AAA companies seems like a waste.

MattDaEskimo•45m ago

Why? Why would a non-deterministic engine be better for a game when it can be instead structured and made deterministic and then more effectively distributed to consumer hardware?

SomeonesAccount•41m ago

It wouldn't be better for players. It would be better for companies because the user no longer owns the computer that runs the game.

moralestapia•36m ago

And a month or so of development time. Pure IP re-selling.

October? Yeah, just release the "Spiderman saves Halloween" prompt.

This is a wet dream for big studios.

phyzix5761•30m ago

You can still stream a deterministic world to the player.

verdverm•33m ago

it's not, it just sounds cooler to say prophetic things like this these days

qup•43m ago

They can try, my household won't be purchasing those.

We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.

verdverm•29m ago

> We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.

The problem will be separating the wheat (people with good stories and concepts enabled by Ai) from the chaff (people with no taste slopping out trash with Ai)

well_ackshually•42m ago

And nobody will play that trash, and the world won't change.

Also, lmao, they're already trying to nickel and dime you and sell you microtransactions that took 5 minutes to make for 10 bucks. If you think they're going to pay the costs for running a world model for every single person, lol.

ActionHank•38m ago

Because stadia was a real banger right?

Do you have even the slightest idea of the level of expectation that even the most casual gamer has?

This isn’t achieving much beyond prototyping. They’re burning so much money for no reason.

paxy•37m ago

Because it wasn’t bad enough to need a $5000 5090 to play a game, now you’re going to need a full rack of them!

sodacanner•44m ago

I don't know if I'm missing the point, but Genie 4 almost looks worse than Genie 3 in terms of player control? It doesn't even seem to respond to inputs, it just looks like they took some AI generated videos and put the key widgets on top.

doctorpangloss•39m ago

another POV is, what even are these experiences? whom are they for? it would take Google 10 minutes to hire all the best game developers for Android, and cost them like $2m, which is peanuts, and give them fancy Google Research titles. but instead, they're trying to get 100 google PMs, who don't give their kids screentime and who don't play any games the objective of making a product for Bart Simpsons. like these people don't realize that being good parents disqualifies them from making immersive first person shooter, "narrative" experiences.

mlmonkey•30m ago

When Google's epitaph is eventually written, PMs will figure prominently as the catalyst for the rapidly accelerating decline.

NitpickLawyer•30m ago

> what even are these experiences? whom are they for?

One possible use for these is to facilitate lab -> this -> real world for robot models. Basically better than lab / algorithmically designed environments and cheaper / easier to train on than real life. Something that "looks" like real life and can scale, to apply RL for robotics to.

empath75•27m ago

The point is simulation for autonomous vehicles and robots.

Zambyte•42m ago

From the auto-generated captions on the YouTube video on this page.

> Genie form [sic] can simulate scenarios

It's kind of amazing: the juxtaposition of such advanced generative AI and such terrible speech-to-text coming from the same parent company.

fwip•38m ago

They're not proof-reading the blog posts either. The second sentence:

> Genie 4 is natively multimodal, enabling audio-like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue to be simultaneously generated with the world.

(Emphasis mine). Like, yeah, I'd sure hope the music is similar to audio.

I wonder if this was a de-LLMese pass gone wrong, and the original was "enabling audio -- like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue -- to be simultaneously generated with the world.

kridsdale1•21m ago

These days, unproofread text adds authenticity.

phoghed•35m ago

The volume of content on YouTube is enormous, I’m kind of surprised they offer auto captions at all given that they have little to no competition in the space.

rustyhancock•32m ago

Is it surprising? Indexing for search is the backbone of Google's business model.

It's why if you search a practical task you will often see results link to specific parts of a video.

TGower•38m ago

That stained glass landscape video is pretty cool. I wonder if it would be possible to implement that effect in a real-time game engine.

wolttam•37m ago

> "A REAL, ultra-photorealistic, high-end 35mm cinematic first-person perspective..."

Real nice prompting there, Google. It also still looks like a video game rendering.

slashtrends•33m ago

ironically, the word "realistic" appears next to game footage, not next to real one.

taneq•25m ago

Not ironic at all. You describe a rendered image as photorealistic, you just call a photo a photo.

pdntspa•35m ago

So does this export 3d assets or an Unreal/godot/unity project so it can be turne dinto a game or is it limited to their runtime?

inshard•32m ago

So world models capture inherent complexity of physical reality to help teach AI about hidden laws which probably helps train both LLMs and multimodal models used for autonomous vehicles and robots? And AMD acquiring World Labs is a move to outdo Nvidia’s work in this space. And Google probably sees this as a gateway to a new platform of autonomous vehicles and humanoids that they could rent out as a CSP? Competing with Nvidia, Tesla and complementing Waymo. Am I getting that right?

ytxm•32m ago

Surprised that "do you really think we're going to make it?" scene made the cut of the first video, her expression and tone is totally out of sync with the scene and demonstrates the problem with almost every AI gen video I've come across when it comes to capturing humanity.

The painting->interactive scene looks astonishing though

mlmonkey•32m ago

In the clip with a marble bust dropped on a watermelon, at this point https://imgur.com/a/IHLnkUs the bust should've toppled over, if the physics were properly modeled.

233mhz•29m ago

Y tho?

zardo•27m ago

Showing off an anglo-bias with the Japanese train station in the 1980s, with a man speaking english.

Sol-•23m ago

Neuralink integration and I'm out of here.

BatFastard•22m ago

Amazing!

Question I have is when will they be able to render something more then 30 seconds.

And how much will it cost? There has to be a HUGE amount of computing power behind this. As a video game developer I live in fear and anticipation.

smusamashah•20m ago

A big chunk of the right side of castle disappeared, including catapult, when camera turned back while flying on dragon. See 1:25 to 1:29. I was not expecting this to happen in a "world model".

ksec•5m ago

I was under the impression he has already fly past the catapult.

pacman1337•20m ago

this is the gta6 I am was hoping for

HughParry•19m ago

>coming soon to Google AI Ultra subscribers in Project Genie

Would be fun to muck around with world models. Are there any that I can try for under £200 p/m without being part of a special project?

runtime_terror•19m ago

Gotta love the kraken destroying the city in the background of the Hong Kong lovers motorcycle scene despite nothing in the prompt about monsters. Filmmakers are still safe.

speerer•11m ago

It prompts "gigantic alien tentacles that destroy the world."

I suspect you're reading the base prompt, but the video also demonstrates adding further prompts to change what is happening as the scene progresses.

jackb4040•18m ago

It's hard for me to understand Google's redefinition of "world models" (basically: a txt2videogame modality for LLMs) as anything other than an attempt to bury Yann Lecun's definition of "world models", which includes an implicit bear case against LLMs and thus Google's stock price.

reverseblade2•18m ago

Infinite Tsukuyomi is coming soon…

kouteiheika•17m ago

Looks cool, but it's very hard to get me excited about yet another proprietary model for which absolutely zero technical details are released (not even the number of parameters), which is safetymaxxed to the limit, and whose usage quota will (most likely) be so limited that it'll be effectively useless for anyone who doesn't work at Google or doesn't have infinite money.

viccis•16m ago

Hmm, wonder if Databricks trademarked their Genie AI product.

varispeed•16m ago

What is this for? I cannot understand these models. They are very much polluting the internet with nonsense and use capacity that people and businesses need for actual work.

If these are the cause of why I have to pay 2-4x I used to for a computer, then Google should go fuck themselves.

mike_hearn•14m ago

Google aren't the only ones with this tech. You can try out a 24/7 rolling set of video feeds for yourself at https://fal.live

An LLM generates four alternative prompts for what could happen next and there's a real time vote running for each option. It's trippy, like watching someone's dream.

vatsachak•13m ago

What is the point of this vs cheap robotic arm simulations?

The only place I see this applicable is for visual artists prototyping

ajs1998•8m ago

You could produce a thousand cheap ads for your product or one expensive real ad.

throw310822•6m ago

You could produce immersive VR content specified only by prompts and in which any action is possible.

delichon•12m ago

Every increment of advance in this field is an increment of evidence that we are simulations.

dsizzle•2m ago

Not sure if you're joking, but the only such evidence I could think of would be something like finding some way to influence the hardware of our simulation and seeing a glitch in our world

ajs1998•11m ago

Who is asking for this? Do advertisers really want this? I feel dread about many of the AI products being sold. They're mostly tools to help funnel money from the users to the bosses.

gradascent•6m ago

> Genie 4 is natively multimodal, enabling audio-like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue

What on Earth is audio-like music? Do they mean music-like audio?

mailarchis•5m ago

probably meant "audio like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue."

thenthenthen•4m ago

Audio like: music, ambient-noises etc

vitorfblima•4m ago

As opposed to video-like music...

WarmWash•6m ago

I highly suspect that Genie is being made primarily for internal use, and access is more to gather feedback/training data and a bit of PR.

oldfuture•5m ago

guys they are building digital cages so they can rob you blind while you are in your nice digital world, sorry we will ignore this stuff into oblivion

germanjoey•5m ago

In the man walking through the dressing room scene, the camera starts behind the man. And you can see that the left half of his body is wearing a grey suit... but the right half is wearing a grey dress. :O

prymitive•5m ago

The third video is proof that v4 can, ekhm, walk slower?

alphabetting•4m ago

The playable element is cool PR but the news is that endless synthetic training data for embodied AI models is basically here or close.

ddtaylor•3m ago

Is anyone actually making any games with these tools? Like, can I play one on Steam or something?

daniel31x13•3m ago

Reminds me of a post[1] by Sam Altman in 2024:

> movies are going to become video games and video games are going to become something unimaginably better

Sometimes I really wanna skip 10 years into the future and see where all this eventually leads.

[1]: https://x.com/sama/status/1776083954786836979

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