What an interesting claim. Unless you're saying that despite Israel having the "most advanced propaganda machines" (whatever that means), it's failing miserably. The amount of hate towards Israelis and the Israeli government is at all time high.
[0] https://combatantisemitism.org/special-features/analysis-rio...
Here, there was no context to the riots other than "go to plaça Catalunya and break/steal things", no political demand whatsoever, it was a totally opportunistic chaos and nothing like I've seen in France or Spain ever.
In the preceding months there had been growing unease between the police and the inhabitants of ...
Which is pretty different to this apparent clear blue sky bolt from blue spontaneous remotely weaponised flash mob.
https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers-portal_...
This itself seems like propaganda to blame the unrest on TikTok or foreign countries, rather than fundamental issues within Spain or Europe generally.
It can both be true that TikTok was a factor in the increased property damage and that Spanish citizens are unhappy and ready to protest. Or that 130 people were ready to do property damage and there also, TikTok videos.
https://nonsite.org/change-agent-gene-sharps-neoliberal-nonv...
> there’s really no first principles reason for any legitimacy
Do you mean in this case, or are you making a blanket statement about the nature of morality and power?
Yes, we could start doing verbal and mental gymnastics about how an external actor could be legitimately interested to try and drive the political landscape of a country one month before elections, sure. But it's not the point here.
What I will say is that getting tiktoks in front of hundreds of thousands of people in a coordinated way isn't easy, and they won't come out if they weren't already passionate about something. If there are written records proving this was made to cause chaos specifically then they should subpoena tiktok for exact records.
Literally trivial: https://getstarted.tiktok.com/gofulltiktok?lang=en
> and they won't come out if they weren't already passionate about something
First time protesting and/or rioting in Barcelona? There is definitively always people taking advantage of our peaceful protests to cause chaos and mayhem, this happens every time there are protests, and especially once the police wants to shut down the events but people want to keep on partying.
> they should subpoena tiktok for exact records
Absolutely, straight up attempts to subvert democracy, should be met with investigations immediately.
The same thing is happening here in the comments. Everyone is looking for the puppeteer. I’m not sure one way or the other.
On the one hand, it’s true that when you look through history, you often find that there was a “someone” (e.g. the Germans funding the Bolshevik Revolution, or the CIA shenanigans in the Middle East and South America).
On the other hand, can’t these things also legitimately arise from disenfranchised groups without needing to point to a boogie man?
My bet: foreign meddling.
[0] https://combatantisemitism.org/special-features/analysis-rio...
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