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The UK's War on Anonymity Has Come to America

https://www.effort.news/uk-lobby
326•slowin•3h ago•212 comments

Antirez/h3.c: MiniMax H3 inference engine for Mac computers

https://github.com/antirez/h3.c
60•swyx•2h ago•6 comments

Chicken Scheme 6.0

https://code.call-cc.org/releases/6.0.0/NEWS
82•eatonphil•3h ago•9 comments

Show HN: Scroll through all 43252003274489856000 Rubik's Cube states

https://everycube.alen.is/
98•Alen123•4h ago•24 comments

Recycle – Floppydisks

https://www.floppydisk.com/recycle
16•calvinmorrison•1h ago•1 comments

The “mechanical miracle” that ruined Mark Twain’s life

https://resobscura.substack.com/p/the-mechanical-miracle-that-ruined
74•benbreen•5d ago•21 comments

Show HN: Needle2: 14MB agentic LLM for phones, wearables, smart home and robots

https://cactuscompute.com/needle
214•HenryNdubuaku•10h ago•90 comments

Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

https://www.ft.com/content/4e3957f8-ea7c-4c46-a3de-cdce8e526878
407•root-parent•13h ago•399 comments

World Train Map – 1247 train routes around the world

https://worldtrainmap.com/
64•Flightmussy•4h ago•22 comments

Rust SIMD on the GPU

https://www.vectorware.com/blog/simd-on-gpu/
145•sagacity•9h ago•62 comments

Sonic Pi v5

https://www.patreon.com/samaaron/posts/sonic-pi-v5-166001392
326•samaaron•3d ago•80 comments

Publishing Schematics Before “Open Source” Was a Word

https://fabscene.medium.com/publishing-schematics-before-open-source-was-a-word-55-years-of-akizu...
74•extralongdivisi•3d ago•18 comments

Stowaway – Take the window seat on any plane or satellite overhead

https://stowaway.live/
153•thunderbong•3d ago•16 comments

Confessions of a Long-Distance Sailor

https://arachnoid.com/lutusp/sailbook.html
77•AntiRush•6h ago•18 comments

US President hid in catering cart for secret flight in Turkey amid Iran threat

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/10/trump-secret-flight-nato-return
14•Jimmc414•20m ago•2 comments

Stop Killing Games: It's time to sue Sony, join us

https://www.massaschadeconsument.nl/collectieve-acties/playstation/
210•EDM115•6h ago•90 comments

Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

https://research.meta.ai/blog/introducing-muse-glimmer-open-agentic-model
1058•riordan•17h ago•585 comments

Squeak 6.1

https://squeak.org/release_notes/6.1/
236•fniephaus•15h ago•118 comments

Humanising LLM Outputs Is Dumb

https://kuber.studio/blog/Reflections/Humanising-LLM-Outputs-is-Actually-Dumb
172•kuberwastaken•13h ago•103 comments

The Story of Mac: A Just-So Story

https://gigamonkeys.com/book/macros-defining-your-own
17•kscarlet•5d ago•1 comments

Exploiting System Management Mode with a very long interrupt

https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
138•WhiteDawn•11h ago•49 comments

Choral: Choreographic Programming for Java

https://www.choral-lang.org/
6•dplyukhin•3d ago•1 comments

Launch HN: Stoa Markets (YC S26) – A Marketplace for GPUs and AI Servers

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69•erenberke•10h ago•43 comments

What's the best programming language for coding agents?

http://danluu.com/pl-tokens/
82•chaychoong•10h ago•61 comments

The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufo_Alvarius:_the_Psychedelic_Toad_of_the_Sonoran_Desert
88•simonebrunozzi•6d ago•58 comments

Parametron: 50s Japanese computer that uses neither transistors nor vacuum tubes

https://ethw.org/Milestones:Parametron,_1954
201•xeonmc•16h ago•49 comments

Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

https://openai.com/index/responsible-ai-infrastructure-texas/
99•hackerBanana•12h ago•179 comments

Ask HN: In your experience, what are sound conventions for e-ink UI development?

156•BoxOfRain•3d ago•53 comments

Exploring Claude/GPT Knowledge Cutoffs and Pre-Training Timelines

https://blog.sshh.io/p/exploring-claudegpt-knowledge-cutoffs
116•sshh12•13h ago•14 comments

50k Boat Names

https://www.beautifulpublicdata.com/boat-names/
166•jonathanmkeegan•14h ago•106 comments
Open in hackernews

CaMeL: Defeating Prompt Injections by Design

https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.18813
71•tomrod•1y ago

Comments

simonw•1y ago
I've been tracking prompt injection for 2.5 years now and this is the first proposed mitigation for it that feels genuinely credible to me. Unlike most of the others it doesn't rely on using other AI models to try and spot injection attacks, which is a flawed approach because if you only catch 99% of attacks your system will be broken by motivated adversarial attackers.

(Imagine if we protected against SQL injection or XSS using statistical methods that only caught 99% of attacks!)

I wrote up my own extensive thoughts on this paper last week: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/11/camel/

Admittedly I have a bias towards it because it builds on a proposal I made a couple of years using dual quarantined and privileged LLMs: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Apr/25/dual-llm-pattern/

I'm particularly tickled that a DeepMind academic paper now exists with a section titled "Is Dual LLM of Willison enough?" (Spoiler: it is not.)

jaccola•1y ago
I read your (excellent) blog post just now. This reminds me very much of the Apple "Do you want to share your location" feature.

Do you think that this practically limits the usefulness of an LLM "agent"?

In your email example it is all well and good for me to check it is indeed sending to bob@mycompany.com and confirm it as trusted from now on, but what if my agent is doing something with lots of code or a lengthy legal document etc.. Am I right in thinking I'd have to meticulously check these and confirm they are correct (as the end user)?

If that's the case, even in the email example many users probably wouldn't notice bob@mycumpany.com. Equally, this feels like it would be a non-starter for cron-like, webhook-like, or long-running flows (basically anywhere the human isn't already naturally in the loop).

P.S. They must have called it CaMeL for the two LLMs/humps, otherwise it is the most awful backronym I've ever seen!

gnat•1y ago
My first thought was "oh, it's Perl's taint mode" which added another layer of meaning to the CaMeL name.
rurban•1y ago
Unfortunately not. It just is a primitive intermediate layer of checks for each tool access. Which should be default for each such api call anyway.

It's by far not a proper capability based design as advertised.

simonw•1y ago
> Do you think that this practically limits the usefulness of an LLM "agent"?

Yes, I do. I think it limits the usefulness a lot. Sadly it's the best option we've seen in 2.5 years for building AI "agents" that don't instantly leak your private data to anyone who asks them for it.

I'd love it if someone could come up with something better!

daeken•1y ago
> (Imagine if we protected against SQL injection or XSS using statistical methods that only caught 99% of attacks!)

For what it's worth, we do that all the time: WAFs (web app firewalls). I can't begin to tell you the number of applications whose protections against XSS and SQLi were a combination of "hope we got it right" and "hope the WAF covered us where we didn't".

Once consulted on an M&A vetting gig, where they pulled me after a day because the sheer number of critical findings meant that there was no way that they would move forward. They used the WAF+prayers method.

simonw•1y ago
Yeah, I have low opinions of WAFs!

They're actually a pretty good comparison to most of the other proposed mitigations to prompt injection: slap a bunch of leaky heuristics over the top of your system (likely implemented by a vendor who promises you the world), then cross your fingers and hope.

lostnground•1y ago
After a cursory read, I see how this might prevent exfiltration, but not potential escalation.

It seems like it keeps you inside a box, but if the intention of my attack was to social engineer Bob by including instructions to whitelist attackers@location to hit with the next prompt, would this stop me?

simonw•1y ago
I don't think it would. Social engineering attacks like that are practically impossible to prevent in any system where an LLM displays content to you that may have been influenced in some way by untrustworthy tokens.

They talk about that in the paper in section 3.1. Explicit non-goals of CaMeL

> CaMeL has limitations, some of which are explicitly outside of scope. CaMeL doesn't aim to defend against attacks that do not affect the control nor the data flow. In particular, we recognize that it cannot defend against text-to-text attacks which have no consequences on the data flow, e.g., an attack prompting the assistant to summarize an email to something different than the actual content of the email, as long as this doesn't cause the exfiltration of private data. This also includes prompt-injection induced phishing (e.g., "You received an email from Google saying you should click on this (malicious) link to not lose your account"). Nonetheless, CaMeL's data flow graph enables tracing the origin of the content shown to the user. This can be leveraged, in, e.g., the chat UI, to present the origin of the content to the user, who then can realize that the statement does not come from a Google-affiliated email address.

NitpickLawyer•1y ago
> this might prevent exfiltration

Eh, I'd say it limits the exfil landscape, but it does not prevent it. As long as LLMs share command & data on the same channel at their core, leaking data is pretty much guaranteed given enough interactions.

So it would be useful as a defence in depth tool, but it does not guarantee security by itself.

thom•1y ago
This works by locking down the edges of the system (e.g. tools) not to do stupid things, and maintaining provenance information end to end to inform that. That’s great if the attack is “send this sensitive document to baddie@evil.com” but it offers nothing when workflows devolve into pure text, where the attack could be to misinform or actively social engineer. I suppose you’d class this as necessary but not sufficient.
simonw•1y ago
That's true, but it is at least addressed in the paper - see comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43759505
petesergeant•1y ago
So an initial LLM takes trusted input and a list of tools, and puts together an executable Python script using those tools. Some of those tools use LLMs for extraction purposes from downstream data, but the downstream LLMs don’t have access to tool usage, so even if the data to evaluate has malicious data, the worst thing they can return is a misleading string that’s not re-evaluated by an LLM, it’s simply set in a Python variable.

This feels like a lot of engineering for quite a narrow mitigation, and I guess I’m a little surprised to see a paper on it. Perhaps I need to start writing up some of my own techniques!

mentalgear•1y ago
Definitely, I'd be interested even if you could just outline them!
petesergeant•1y ago
Here is one I wrote today on LLMs that can handle chat input like humans write: multiple disjointed messages arriving asynchronously that need to be treated as one: https://sgnt.ai/p/interruptible-llm-responses/

I use a similar technique to the article for trying to avoid jailbreaks by putting untrusted input through zod to check I got back a JSON structure of the right shape, which has been very effective.

I’ve been sprinkling lexical in-memory search throughout prompts to save inference calls, which has been very effective

noodletheworld•1y ago
I have to say I’m a bit skeptical.

The problem with a sandbox that executes arbitrary code (which is what this is; convert a request into code and execute it in a restricted runtime), is that if you expose APIs in that sandbox that can “do things”, then you have to be extraordinarily careful with your security policies to allow “good actions” and deny “bad actions”.

The side channel attacks are a good example; what if fetching an external url is the task you want an agent to perform?

How do “know” in your security policy what a good url is and what a bad one is?

What if the action is to apply a change to a database element? How does your security policy know how to only allow “good” updates?

Certainly you can hand craft guard rails (security policies), but at the end of the day you’re no closer or further than any other environment where you’re executing arbitrary code; it just takes different efforts to find the holes in those security policies and apis.

Ie. it’s easy to say “if you write a good sandbox and covert your LLM request into code and run it in the sandbox you’re fine”.

…but you’re as fine as your sandbox is; if your goal is a sandbox with holes in it for privileged actions; guess what, the arbitrary code you run in it can call those privileged actions.

Certainly the data provenance is a cool idea, but I foresee see a lot of “but but but…” when people try to enforce the boundaries in practice.