There’s so many interesting items in here otherwise
So I would -definitely- guess this is what's left after anything of scholarly or creative value was taken care of.
I mean - the sale of two of the three adjacent properties he owns just off Mulholland would be enough to keep those inheriting his estate going for a while on their own. I doubt "everything must go" to pay off creditors or something...
Anyway - yeah I can only imagine the actual papers are at a scholarly institution.
How would this be valued precisely?
Yes... once owned by David Lynch himself.
Relevant George Carlin bit on the subject: https://youtu.be/JLoge6QzcGY?
A lot of Americans also buy 5th wheel recreational vehicles(caravans) that they can't store at home so they have to store them at designated facilities. It's extremely common to see run-down caravans parked beside houses or in the driveway, too. It's crazy. People buy em, never use em, and then they rot. Same with boats and off road vehicles; sitting there rotting at storage facilities or next to the garage.
Americans own an INSANE amount of stuff. I'm American and I find it crazy how much shit people own. Remember that per capita Americans are the highest consumers in the world and it's not even close.
It has to do with the American exceptionalism thinking. That Americans are special and therefore more entitled to over consume. Manifest Destiny baby, god chose America! The extreme capitalism in America reinforces this mentality. The amount of crap an American owns is a status symbol. A lot of Americans are proud to own stuff they never use.
In the spring time, when folks start opening their garages, i like to see how much winter junk people have accumulated. A month or two ago it was comedic watching people move stuff out of their garages to reorganize so they could then put it all back.
This is quite a leap, and you're giving people too much credit for "consumption as a guiding principle".
Most people just have extra income and are bombarded with messages about how something will make their lives better. They try it out. They're stuck with it.
Even if one doesn't consciously think about or admit this, it is everywhere in American culture, especially in rural-cosplaying folks. If someone isn't aware of it, and working to check their consumption, then they're probably engaging in it, unfortunately.
Americans have endless excuses for our overconsumption because it allows us to either justify or ignore the consequences of our actions.
Even mentioning overconsumption will result in many Muricans getting mad because you're challenging their privilege.
A really great example of this is the typical american's reaction to environmental causes. Look at how american media portrays environmentalists and reacts with pure vitriol most of the time (fortunately this has changed quite a lot in recent years but it's still pretty bad). Environmentalists challenge the privileged mindset of american culture. What did american culture do? We pumped up beef and dairy production while portraying it as "the natural way", "the carnivore diet", the "caveman diet" etc as if overconsumption is how it should be and has always been. Then American culture portrayed vegans/vegetarians as anemic weaklings, which is basically an attack on people challenging the privilege to overconsume. Make the enemy look bad instead of addressing the issue.
Once one starts to look for this stuff they'll see it is everywhere in US culture. I grew up in a town of 500 people on a farm/ranch in the US West. I was very conservative. I bought into all this shit for 20+ years. Then I traveled and talked to people outside the US with different viewpoints. It is really obvious how bad it is in the US once you start to pay attention and stop buying into this privileged mindset.
We can't begin to improve this until we can even acknowledge it. There are many forces in this country working to prevent people from even acknowledging this. Look at conservative media, especially. It's suuuuper obvious.
In my opinion (and observation), the majority of the population worldwide wants a boat. Whether it's attainable or socially acceptable depends on where you live. In America it is attainable and mostly socially acceptable. You can't fault people for grabbing their dream when it's within reach. Most immigrants want to move to the US because they can "buy a boat". It's literally the point.
People really really love meat. They don't need much persuasion to resist any message that says what they love is bad. Like, people love meat so much that it's probably something our bodies want and need over other forms of sustenance.
I'm not sure why so many people think that there's an effective brainwashing campaign behind all of this. I think it's just what individual, free thinking people want.
In the US, and other hyper-captalist countries, this is in overdrive. It's reinforced by the propaganda we're given as children that the US is the greatest country to ever exist and that justifies our insane consumption. God chose america to be great and lead the world, therefore any destruction we do is justified. This isn't an original idea by me. You can find people talking about this going back over a century.
You seem to be confirming what I'm saying because you're making excuses for overconsumption without admitting that all people are influenced by media/advertising/propaganda. Denying this is denying reality. We are all influenced by these things to some degree. The important part is being able to recognize it and be honest about your justifications for your consumption. That's the issue; people don't reflect on these things because they feel bad or it challenges their privilege. This "sunk cost guilt" is discussed frequently in psychology circles.
I have a lot of international friends from all walks of life. This is something I talk about regularly with people. Americans(and folks from other hyper-capitalist countries) really struggle with this. It's really frustrating talking to Americans about this because they just deny it and make excuses. Meanwhile, people who are aware of it are making fun of Americans for it. There's a reason americans are seen as loud, ignorant, over consuming fools to much of the world.
You are right though, there are plenty of people who see the overconsumption in the US and want it. No denying that. But again, why? Lots of media telling them america is the greatest country that's ever existed or will exist and if ya move here you too can consume as much as you want. Becoming a US citizen, for many folks, is gaining that right to overconsume in ways that are often looked down upon in their home countries.
Again, the question is not IF you're influenced to overconsume, it's to what degree are you influenced and whether you can recognize it. If you can't/won't recognize it then you can't begin to check that consumption. In much of America this is the norm. If something challenges that overconsumption, say an environmentalist group, they will be attacked for challenging America's greatness(which is the right to overconsume/conquer/destroy). Why do you think it's the norm for Americans to shit on people who care about the environment? Because those people challenge their right to overconsume.
Trump literally ran on this premise and won. So any denial of this premise is denying an obvious reality that we are living through.
Drill baby drill! Let's bring back great american coal! Let's conquer more lands because America is the greatest thing to ever happen. Make American Great Again! (sarcasm)
Americans really struggle to even recognize this concept.
This is not an original concept by me. This is discussed all over the place. I first learned about it almost 15 years ago while attending a speech at MIT.
https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2023/10/24/the-excessive-n...
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2022.2...
https://bppj.studentorg.berkeley.edu/2020/11/12/the-dangers-...
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/664594
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2017/02/28/a-brief-history-of-ame...
https://www.collegiatetimes.com/lifestyle/wryly-reilly-the-m...
Then you have this blatant propaganda from the Heritage Foundation: https://www.heritage.org/american-history/lecture/why-americ...
Also somewhat related, the podcast "Our Fake History" just finished up a multi-part series that talks about the concept of the "Spartan Myth". The Spartan Myth is the way that nearly all nations have used sparta in propaganda. They do this with misinformation, misinterpretation, etc of spartan history. Sebastian brings up many great points that are relevant to this discussion. The series is worth a listen.
At the very least, I hope my comments here will make people reflect on the ways we are influenced. If we can't even recognize that we're influenced then we can't begin to account for it. A lot of people cannot even admit they're influenced because of their ego. But yeah, at least entertain the idea.
>A lot of Americans also buy 5th wheel recreational vehicles(caravans) that they can't store at home so they have to store them at designated facilities.
I am involved in this business and I assure you you are vastly over estimating the fraction of the population that pays for storage.
I said 75% of people with garages likely don't put their cars in their garages.
This is unrelated to the number of RV owners who store their caravan at a storage facility. I didn't talk about that and didn't specify a figure there. I just said people buy RVs and some people pay to store them.
>Americans often have to rent multiple storage units to store their stuff.
>A lot of Americans also buy 5th wheel recreational vehicles(caravans) that they can't store at home so they have to store them at designated facilities.
"Eraserhead was finally finished in 1976. Lynch said that not a single reviewer of the film understood it as he intended."
Lynch produced Eraserhead on a shoestring budget ($100k) along with Sissy Spacek and her husband, Jack Fisk.
It is not just well off people, it is practically everyone. Everyone has an enormous amount of junk. Well off people just have more pricey junk.
He drank, according to him, 10-20 cups of coffee per day.
He even had his own blend available for purchase.
It combines callousness with consumerism with greed with celebrity worship in the weirdest way. Maybe it's just my perception.
For example, my step-mother was a grade-school teacher and has a collection of old (some very old) children's books. I have no interest in them - some are even quite racist. But hopefully someone else will find value in them.
If the collection of books is of note likewise.
Pokemon cards. Crypto. NFTS (not anymore though). Something a famous person once touched (this one kind of existed in the past with things like saints and holy figures using something, but now it's transcended religion and it's everything anyone of note used). Something a famous person simply recommended. Meme stocks of companies that have no real product to back them up. Toilet paper. Hand sanitizer. Mugs.
Beanie Babies were mocked for being a clearly worthless thing that gen x went wild over and it all collapsed overnight. Now millennials are turning everything into Beanie Babies, and despite plenty of people thinking the "everything investment" bubble will pop, it just keeps growing forever and expanding into more areas of life.
I've been thinking "the bubble is going to pop" for years (decades?) now. But it seems to have not only not popped, it's accelerating.
It brings to mind Marx's labour theory of value. But does the theory describe this psyche; or has the theory itself suggested to us that all our labours must be "valued".
A thousand years after the last millennial has died, they will still be blamed for every issue in society. Naturally, by that time we will have passed the year 3000, so there will be the “neo millennials” to continue taking the blame.
Of corse, that assumes humanity will last that long. Millennials will probably kill us all by then, am I right? I’m surprised millennials haven’t been blamed for the wars in the world, the pandemic, and the US sliding into fascism. Avocado toast eating bastards.
Here’s an idea: How about we stop scapegoating and shifting the blame to a nebulous and imaginary generational divide and all together assume the responsibility of making everything better? No no, wouldn’t work, Gen <insert your bias here> would never allow it.
"might be" = fair statement
"most likely won't" = most likely prediction
I've got an authenticated pair of socks worn by Miles Davis, that I'm willing to let go for just $250.
One good thing you can do now is start unloading some of your own estate so you can enjoy a bit of the cash that comes from it, maybe spending it on a fun activity or experience istead of just buying more stuff. Or, donate useful items to local shelters so that people in need can benefit a bit from your excess, mild as though it may be. We don't have to be wealthy to help someone else out and when we unburden ourselves from our dust-collecting stuff, we also unburden the person who has to deal with it when we die.
I don't think David Lynch really needed that 'bit of extra cash' at the end of his life. Most of the items are memorabilia and worth a lot more since he passed away so even if the goal was to donate to charity it would have been wise to hold on to them.
More broadly, it’s pretty cool that there are objects out there in the world that have been used by an artist or person you admire. Personally I managed to buy a scarf that Raymond Chandler wore, a few months ago at an online auction. It’s just a scarf, but there is something quite special about the fact that one of my favorite writers wore it. It’s a unique object in a world of manufactured identical goods.
"The corpse is cooling! Quick, sell his clothes!"
I'm pointing out that mercantile opportunism isn't necessarily less repugnant when done by the surviving family.
And in Lynch’s case: most of these objects are not really unique enough to be worth including in a museum exhibition.
Adding to that, I believe that Lynch’s more significant work is being put into museums. Here is one specifically for his work: https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7791/artykul/3476309,poland-...
But I was surprised by his choice of Bang & Olufsen for music. For example, his Sennheiser headphones are mostly for hearing sound as it is, while B&O always tries to 'enhance' sound in their own way. It doesn’t match much.
I feel like I can identify with that. I have a pair of AKG studio headphones for recording music and listening for "mistakes" in mixes, but otherwise mostly B&O Hi-Fi speakers. To me, the sound is more "immersive" and emotionally captivating than e.g. studio monitors, and they still have lots of detail. (Plus, there’s the issue of them looking as nice as they do and being very easy to set up — it makes them easy to live with). Just my 2 cents.
This is the auction setting the market value, no one is going to appraise the junk at 100x what it last sold for at auction
Duanemclemore•1d ago
Even if you're in the "just looking" category like me, this is such a great glimpse into the life and creative process of a true original. I loved going through this because it ranges the gamut from completely banal stuff like light stands to the personal like custom furniture he made by hand. And then there's stuff to the just plain wacky - a couple Mr. Coffee coffeemakers currently going for $1,250!?
Anyway - thought I might not be the only David Lynch fan out there, and you may get a kick out of this.
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Duanemclemore•1d ago
Edited to add - I think $1,200 for two Mr. Coffees is a little over retail though...
blitzar•1d ago
OMG he had a 10 year old Sony camera and a coffee table just like me! SanDisk Extreme Pro 128GB cards the choice of me and David Lynch.
The equipment might be the same, but the line between me and genius is wide.
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petetnt•1d ago
The collection has some absolute grails too for any fan, like the original script to Twin Peaks as Northwest Passage.
RIP to true master.