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Panjandrum: The 'giant firework' built to break Hitler's Atlantic Wall

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250603-the-giant-firework-built-to-break-hitlers-atlantic-wall
82•rmason•3d ago

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the__alchemist•5h ago
Panjandrum: Fraa Orolo’s pejorative term for a high-ranking official of the Sæcular Power.
lelandfe•5h ago
Stephenson enjoys the word. He also used it in Cryptonomicon. I keep a running list of new words I encounter and share them online occasionally. Someone once recognized I was reading Cryptonomicon just from a string of those new words, lol.
KineticLensman•5h ago
If you enjoy encountering new words and phrases such as 'theurgic vermin' then you might like China Miéville’s Kraken. I had to read it with a copy of the OED and Wikipedia to get the most from it.
Rebelgecko•4h ago
I had a pretty good list for Polostan
ben_ja_min•5h ago
Thank you for this. I was going nuts trying to figure out where I had read this before. Peace and love! For the uninitiated, the Neil Stephenson novel, "Anathem", is brilliant and extremely entertaining.
6LLvveMx2koXfwn•4h ago
And if you enjoyed that you'd possibly enjoy The Glass Bead Game
daverol•5h ago
I always preferred the thinking behind the 'Conundrum' used in Operation Pluto. No big bangs but excellent logistics - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pluto
KineticLensman•5h ago
There's a recreation of a Panjandrum in the iconic UK WW2-set comedy 'Dad's Army' [0] which captures the essential nuttiness of the real device

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_and_Round_Went_the_Great...

kjellsbells•5h ago
As the ww2 generation passes on, it's easy to forget the degree of utter, total mobilization that went on in the British Isles during the war. I'm always struck by how easy it is to hike into some remote part of the UK and learn that the parish school was a training ground for Italian resistance fighters or that some park in remote scotland was where they trained commandos. Perhaps its because the country is quite small, and they had to use every inch, but it always seems remarkable.

I think the notion of odd, but brilliant, boffin is deeply embedded in British culture. Or was, until at least the 2000s. The Great Egg Race on TV being a fine example.

nocoiner•5h ago
You would probably enjoy the book “Backroom Boys” by Francis Spufford.
FridayoLeary•5h ago
What i find even more remarkable is how every town, village, school and institution have memorials for those who lost their lives in the Great War. Usually there is another plaque attached in memory of WW2. It's hard to imagine the scale of deaths. The tragedy is how little was accomplished by the sacrifices of ww1. It had none of the moral clarity of ww2 nor did most of the deaths achieve any strategic purpose.

On the other hand i knew an old scientist who had quite a few interesting and amusing stories to share about his efforts in WW2. One of them was about his attempts to perfect a formala. Several factories exploded before they succeeded.

sorcerer-mar•4h ago
It's worth pointing out explicitly that WW2 didn't have the moral clarity that it does today either. The vast majority of the western world was perfectly content to let Hitler run Europe and Japan to run Asia.
MattPalmer1086•4h ago
What do you define as the vast majority of the western world? Just the US?
sorcerer-mar•2h ago
Literally not one country initiated combat against Nazi Germany before being attacked itself.

Churchill stands virtually alone as one with moral clarity on the Nazis.

USSR allied with them. France was fine seeing everyone else get rolled. Poland signed a nonaggression pact. The British parliament were generally happy to let Hitler have his way.

How about instead, you tell me who you think went out of their way to combat Nazism?

FridayoLeary•1h ago
To an extent you are right. ww1 made much more sense at the time then it does today. And it wasn't as clear during ww2 that it was in fact the greatest conflict of good vs evil ever.

The extent of the German and Japanese atrocities only became clear after the war and they were so great that even the Soviet Union were on the side of the angels.

I wouldn't say they were perfectly content. It was more that they were cowardly and apathetic.

jltsiren•3h ago
There was moral clarity in West and South Europe. But if you happened to be in East Europe, WW2 was primarily a war between nazism and communism. Everyone else was trying to find the least bad option, which usually meant choosing a side and switching it at least once.
FridayoLeary•1h ago
I don't know if the eastern european countries besides maybe ussr count. Many many polish, ukrainian and lithuanians enthusiastically helped the germans in carrying out the holocaust.
aerostable_slug•3h ago
Various infantry bunkers laying about are also a reminder, but what really gets me are the bonkers last-ditch defensive weapons you can still find in places, like preset positions for flame fougasse batteries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_fougasse

They speak to the particular combination of desperation, urgency, and ingenuity found in the UK at that time.

mhh__•3h ago
> As the ww2 generation passes on,

I was at a picnic recently that happened to be on VE day, it really struck me that now London is only about 35% or so English as the ww2 generation would've known it, almost no one has a particularly good reason to bother paying attention. I'm sure I was the only person there who knows who Barnes Wallis was.

And yes I miss the boffins. They do still sort of exist but that type of mind has been strangled by the last few decades drive towards left-brained processes where everything basically has to be nailed down before the work actually starts.

That latter point is one reason why we're struggling so much - we owe a great debt to the generations who built all the infrastructure and housing. We didn't pay it off, we now can't really do anything at scale other than extract rent. The victorians were building a HS2 every few years.

jameshart•2h ago
Not sure the WW2 generation would be all too comfortable with you looking around and making a snap judgement based solely on appearances that some of the people around you have a lesser right to call themselves ‘English’ than you because you assume none of them know who Barnes Wallace is.
mhh__•1h ago
I'm not assuming, I asked; they wouldn't call themselves english anyway. Almost no one does anymore anyway, I don't.
icameron•4h ago
There’s good footage of actual tests about 40 seconds into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJQqXXENYsI
sevensor•3h ago
Nevil Shute is worth a read. Best known for On The Beach, probably, but I enjoyed Round the Bend more.
arandomusername•3h ago
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mhh__•3h ago
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OJFord•2h ago
Surely you have also to act on it in some way?

I don't agree with the 'ideology' but I don't find it totally unreasonable or objectionable.

And surely even 'everyone who doesn't worship X and abstain from Y and live according to text Z is living in sin' is... That's just an ideology, that's fine, it's not terrorist until you do some sort of destructive act in its name or try to enforce it somehow?

Some context lost in the linked article I think, not having read into it.

mhh__•1h ago
I'm exaggerating obviously, you're not automatically considered a terrorist now, but I want to draw attention to the fact that this is the avowed view of the british state.

That particular organisation is particularly batshit in that they have e.g. published guidance that watching (say) TV shows about politics or railway journeys could mean you're harbouring dangerous right wing views!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11764775/Yes-Minist...

All in all it's a (deep) state (I mean deep in the sense that we can't see it rather than in a conspiratorial sense) that basically accidentally enacted a huge cultural revolution in the 90s, got away with it for a while, now has nothing to show for it, knows everyone now knows this, and is hedging.

We do not have free speech anymore because of this e.g. see this case of a man having his home raided while police officers rummage through his books - "very Brexity things". Brexit got a majority in a referendum! (which fwiw I was at the time and sort of still am against but they won)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2053511/pensioner-arrested...

The english middle classes despise their worse offs, but are quite fond of similar people from afar.

Oikophobia, basically.

Unless we get out of this (and we probably won't) there will basically be a "gradually, then suddenly" transition to a very, very, different society as the boomers die off, and then probably a civil war over the scraps.

typewithrhythm•1h ago
The context is that the UK government has extremely wide reaching powers to fine or imprison based on online speech, with much of the wording of these laws being contrived as anti terror. So by classifying a position as terrorist ideology, they can apply these laws and chill opposition.
elephant81•3h ago
https://www.neilobrien.co.uk/p/the-confluence?utm_medium=ios Tyler Cowen posted this last week, I was completely shocked by it. Worth reading on the state of the UK in general.
veqq•1h ago
> 90 percent of the American people stated that they would rather loose [sic] the war than give full equality to the American Negroes

from Greenberg's Troubling the Waters about Black-Jewish relations.

FridayoLeary•54m ago
it's unfair to hold people from the past to our moral standards. I'm sure that in 50 years they will be appalled at some of the things we do. Society progresses. Hopefully.
tomhow•1h ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44219711 and marked it off topic.

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