https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b6b6509049556deef91d0459df864...
Also, regarding "There is no technology, extant or imaginable, that could extract that marvellous secret from her bones",
I put those under the "famous last words" category.
We cannot predict today what we may discover about bones in the future. There could be something akin to DNA fingerprinting that lets people discover ancestry. Just because we've not discovered it yet, doesn't mean we will never discover it. Not saying we will, but I prefer to keep an open mind about science and human creativity.
It's because the inference depends on having data from a very large sample of other finds. It wouldn't matter if there were a single Eve and we found her entire skeleton and extracted the DNA perfectly. We couldn't prove it was Eve without all the other samples, and it's beyond unlikely they'll just show up.
I'm disgusted by the convention that findings are controlled by self-interested glory-seeking finders. These belong to the entirety of humanity and should be treated as such, with utmost care and complete openness and humility. We shouldn't tolerate grave robbers any more than bank robbers. Like banks, archeaologists are fiduciaries of the highest order, and should be selected and managed as such, not like salespeople on commission. If you want to seek abandoned treasure, go elsewhere.
The basic idea makes sense; you spend a lot of time, effort, money, and sometimes personal risk to excavate these things. You should be given a chance to actually benefit from all this work.
But within reason, and obviously here someone abused a common-sense convention in a way that is hard to distinguish from outright bad faith behaviour.
In my opinion, the major failing here is from the university in not stepping in a bit more forcefully to deal with this.
Not strictly impossible of course, but very few things are impossible in the strictest sense. For all practical purposes, given our understanding of the world, "there is no imaginable technology that could do this" is correct.
- such things happen regularly.
'"there is no imaginable technology that could do this" is correct.'
- i'm so glad i don't have this mindset.
They do not. The type of foundational discovery that would be required is quite rare. It would equal to the discovery of germs, or DNA.
They do.
It's already available, and ever heard about Mitochondrial Eve? [1]
But this narrative somehow does not fit the non-intelligent design believer thus is not made popular and well-known to the rest of the world.
What we have now is the illogical conjecture that human ancestry is originated from monkey while Darwin himself did not condone it. His actual conjecture is that man and monkey probably has the same ancestry.
Ironically it's reported in one of the major holy books that some people were turned into monkey because of working during their God's assigned holidays (read holy days) thus braking their covenant and got transformed into monkey [2].
[1] Mitochondrial Eve:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
[2] The Jews breach the Sanctity of the Sabbath:
https://www.themarginalian.org/2016/02/16/newton-standing-on...
https://www.amazon.com/Shoulders-Giants-Shandean-Postscript/...
OTOH, they seem like the sort of odious, dysfunctional elites who the French claim to have purged back in the 1790's.
If only because the eventual movie will be entertaining.
From my read of the article, those big personalities were lording over a pretty dysfunctional and toxic workplace. At least from the expendable juniors' PoV.
He was ... unusual. My friend once spent an entire day hiding in their car at the worksite, because he was onsite that day, and they forgot to bring duct tape to cover their shoes. Shoes had to be fresh-wrapped in duct tape to prevent anything modern from dropping out of the treads onto the excavation floor.
You can ask lots of logical questions... "Why didn't they just...?" Answer: because the famous archaeologist was a nutbag, and controlled the worksite as his own personal absolute fiefdom. OTOH, if someone ever found a miniscule piece of glass at the 15,000YA level in that dig (as an example), his reputation would strengthen the dating.
That being said... his success was undeniable. Could he have done it, AND been less of a nutbag? Probably. But we don't live in Dr. Strange's multiverse.
dd_xplore•1d ago
Although 'species' is term is bit extreme, which is why they reproduced with each other a lot!
I also wonder what kind of history they might have! It's interesting to think about. Most of the history that we have is already opinionated....
mr_toad•1d ago