Will we see AI-free food? Will it become a part of being “organic”?
I'm sure they are not alone.
Tasks can reliably take off farmers' hands.
Every year our state fair has dioramas to demonstrate the risks of mangling, amputation, and death.
I don't really want to see hallucinating LLMs making this even more dangerous despite how good it may make VCs feel. It's possible for it to not be a closed system but have someone's gain mean someone else's loss. (Arguments over closed vs open system are a sophistic tactic to ruin other people's lives for money.)
I think they meant where labour costs are more than their ability to pay
[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA
Edit: re-reading my comment, I regret my word choice, "a huge chunk" is obviously incorrect.
Secondly, that 0.17% that is spent on food security has dramatically better ROI than the 1.7% of it that is spent on, to pick a random line item... maintaining 5 (of 11) carrier strike groups[1].
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[1] For contrast, the entire rest of the world put together has exactly 2 carrier strike groups. Somehow, I'd have to prioritize people getting three meals a day over nearly anything else the government could be doing.
I also appreciate your point about the reality of agriculture, I think too often people miss just how narrow the margins there are and why farm life has always been so financially unstable. It used to be the weather that could make or break you, and it still is, but not world commodity markets, the price of fuel and fertilizer, and trends in a number of areas can all do it as well. Add in the top-down pressure to keep prices low and bottom-up pressure to target migrants and... what a rough mix.
I suppose destroying society for profit is top of the barrel for people like you.
I'm a regular Joe on the internet, with a regular job.
And regarding agriculture and your comment, that's how people with actual power think.
Think of almost all major advances we've had, especially in terms of reducing costs. The vast majority of cost savings (and therefore improving quality of life for the average person) can be summarized as:
* put plastic (and fossil fuel derived materials) in EVERYTHING: if you don't believe this me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and see how much the non-plastic version costs, frequently it's much, much more expensive (kudos to stainless steel and aluminum products frequently still holding the flag; but coming with other downsides, obviously)
* (more relevant to our discussion): industrialize human suffering and/or general environment degradation (push production to countries where labor and environmental/sustainability laws are lax and abuses are rampant): if you don't believe me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and try to research their supply chain to see if it's produced ethically and sustainably
Oh, for bonus points, a huge percentage of the world economy works on BOTH at the same time.
Wat. You really don’t see any technology that created win-wins?
I think the total elimination of smallpox was pretty one-sided, too; this remains the case even despite people who look at vaccines skeptically, because such skepticism isn't the fault of vaccines.
Offshore oil rigs deal in billions of dollars worth of hydrocarbons per day. The revenues make it feasible to offer high salaries and still generate massive returns. Many rural locations just aren't economically productive to justify the kinds of salaries necessary to draw people to them.
Why can't the farms increase prices to support a basic quality-of-life for those living there?
I don't disagree there's some breakdown of the market here, but I'm not sure that saying "well there's not enough money coming in to the area" isn't stopping a step short.
In that setting, the "regional" middlemen have the power to set prices, not the farmers, so a distant farmer from a poor community has no leverage over what teachers are paid in their community.
Generally speaking, I think almost all locally-produced, distributed industries work this way, by aggregating many producers the middleman has a ton of power to set prices, but of course is subject to the prices set by the next tier up, all the way to the commodities exchange, from what I can tell.
Anyway, this "averaging over a large area" ruins local economic efficiency.
There's literally no such thing - I wanna see an example!
The given scenario is not an example, because you can simply raise the offering until people take you up on it!
I mean, you can ask people to work in high-risk life-threatening environments and people will take you up on that offer IFFF the offer is high enough!
Want someone to work on a seabed? In an oil rig away from home for 9/12 months? In arctic conditions away from home for 3 years at a time? That's all happening right now.
Hell, you could put out an advertisement for volunteers on a one-way trip to Mars and you'll still get those positions filled!
If you cannot get teachers to move to a rural area, you are doing something wrong.[1]
[1] Where I am right now, I'll take that offer given a good enough salary and long enough contract. Many older teachers, maybe 10 years from retirement, will happily sell up and semi-retire to teach a few more years renting in a rural area before actual retirement. If they aren't doing it, it's because the offer is too low.
fun adventure as a young man, for a year. but you couldn't get me back out there for $1 million AUD per annum now.
sure, there is a price that I'd eventually say yes to, but there is no reality where you can offer $5MM for teachers or hairdressers.
Second difference is that schools do not want revolving doors of teachers, each leaving after a year or two. That is completely normal on oil rigs. People work on rigs temporary, until they move on to doing something else. Quite a few positions are filled by people who do their two years or whatever and do not plan of making it a career at all.
There is no labour shortage, there is a salary shortage. And we, as the collective global community of serfs and plebes must realize this, and call it for what it is.
There is currently a massive teacher shortage in Ireland, with something like >1800 unfilled posts and we're approaching the new school term. There is no teacher shortage, there is however an abundance of catholic-church-controlled schools with overly restrictive hiring policy, with many newly qualified teachers not really interested in becoming involved in religious things. Teachers are paid well here, but clearly not well enough for many of them to be willing to subject themselves to draconic requirements such as needing to provide catholic teachings to kids taking fucking math.
[1] https://dairy-cattle.extension.org/dairy-robotic-milking-sys...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdq1uBCI2Kw
[3] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/06/23/dairy-industr...
[4] https://tucson.com/news/national/article_fe9b9724-1526-557b-...
Your statement matches nothing listed in those linked articles. [3] Talks about how the dairy industry is concerned as it relies on immigrant labor. [4] only quotes an "official of the plant" who says they are against illegal immigration, a personal opinion.
[4] also amusingly paints the immigrants as tech savvy identity thieves which is laughable. Likely, it is whatever shady entity the employer uses to hire illegals allowing them to deny involvement.
US dairy operators needing immigrant labor. (Associated Press) [1] (Dairy Herd Management) [2]
Meatpacking plant raids, effects. (Des Moines Register) [3]
More available via Google. This is a major issue and there's lots of info available.
[1] https://apnews.com/article/trump-immigration-farmworkers-ver...
[2] https://www.dairyherd.com/news/business/impact-immigration-r...
[3] https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2025/06/11/ice-...
For these types of businesses, paying less for labor is a secondary goal and just having enough labor (human or machine) is the primary goal.
Lots of websites recruiting people with RVs to come by and work the 2-3 week season. Others stay in motels or live close enough to drive.
https://www.google.com/search?q=beet+harvest+working
https://www.theunbeetableexperience.com/sugar-beet-harvest-f...
Some places have/had the schools close for the harvest season (and in others, for the start of hunting season).
Grad students will work on the problem for the ecological benefits. Then big ag will scoop it up for the profit motive.
- Because you're pulling multiple crops off a field instead of one, the value of those crops is significantly higher.
- The crop is much more resilient. The different crops will have different tolerances to drought, disease, insects, wind and other disasters that commonly affect farming.
When farmland was cheap you could increase your profits per employee by buying more land and bigger machinery. But these days farmland is expensive and farmers are concentrating more on increasing yields per acre. In my area farmers spend > 10x as much per acre on inputs like fertilizers and pesticides than they used to in the 90's.
Polyculture will be hard and expensive, but if it lets you double profit per acre, farmers will do it.
Also, all of the crops have to be herbicide resistant to coexist with corn and beans.
Now, for things like veggies, sure.
Corn & beans are 2 of the "three sisters", the traditional native American agriculture technique.
During this time there's also a crush for the available harvesters, semi trucks, and elevator capacity. All of which rides the ups and downs of prices.
The robots could be programmed to manage this process too.
Of course we'll need less of these crops, if we all become allergic to beef because of that tick. ;-)
For now. There's already significant R&D on robotic versions of herbicide.
Well, that's mostly because this was convenient for mass monoculture.
We've killed crop diversity as a byproduct, but polyculture could open up opportunities to fix that.
During covid i traveled by bus through Shizuoka prefecture, through the mountains. The prefecture is known for its Wasabi plantation and indeed you could see many small plantations of it. It also grows in the wild in the mountains, usually where mineral rich water exist, along the water. Most of Japan is covered in inhospitable mountains (dense jungle like forest), and is therefore not even used for farming. Some patches of Wasabi plants looked so small, and very vertical (following along a natural stream) it must be gruesome work for a single farmer to go up and down that track.
Set up like that could be an ideal application for robot farming. Conventional scale farming machines probably can't operate in this vertical constraints, filled with water, trees, rock and mud but small and nimble quadruped style robots could maybe!
Fresh wasabi can go for like 250$/kg, seems like a case for small-scale, mountain farming (otherwise tedious for human, too unorganized environment for farming machine) with agile robots could pay off especially since the landscape can't otherwise be utilized (without flattening it).
(the technology is not there yet I think. One can dream)
Looks something like this: https://www.arabnews.jp/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/1...
And it can be dealt with by shipping back to factory rather than incredibly expensive field calls.
As they say in IT: cattle, not pets.
Already pretty much the case. They may have a driver as a monitor/troubleshooter but for planting and harvesting it's all optimized down to the inch with GPS guidance steering the machinery.
https://www.farmads.co.uk/product/buqcr-27-06-2025-104659/ its more that people nick those units (well used to, im not sure how nickable they are nowadays)
I mean it does, until it doesn't and you loose all your crops/soil/water.
Monocultures degrade the soil, and you need to put more and more input in to make sure grow. Because there is no ground cover between crops, wind takes away your soil. If you mess up/mistime your pesticide/herbicide input, you'll loose all your crop. The more you grow, the more the soil turns to sand, requiring more fertiliser input, which mean more costs.
If you take the yield per m2 of an allotment, and compare it to a really high quality agricultural field (ie Lincolnshire fens, or some prime land in the USA.) the allotment will have a much higher yield with less input. I don't have the figures on hand, but you'll need to turn to the bearded hippies at the henry doubleday to get precise numbers.
If, through automation, you could have three or four crops in the same field, providing cover all year round. you could then start to keep your soil, because the wind cant get at it (crop dependant). you can grow sacrificial crops for pest control, meaning less pesticide input. This means more worm, which will stop flash flooding (more water permeability without ploughing)
But all that requires high speed "pick and place" weeding/harvesting machines. Those are going to be complex and expensive until scale kicks in (think how complex tractors were, or threshing machines)
> you'll loose all your crop
Is there a way to tighten your crops after they become loose or beforehand so they don't loosen in the first place?
This time, I thought I'd have a little fun with it.
Including listening to elevator music while waiting interminably to get thru to John Deere customer support.
Result? The farmers are forced to do extensive use of chemicals in farming, low nutrition, high yield GM/hybrid varieties and adulteration of whole foods. The food that comes out is laced with chemicals, poor quality varieties. And the urban consumer pays for their negligence of the farmer.
https://www.itu.int/itu-d/reports/statistics/2024/11/10/ff24...
Access to information even for the global poor is almost universal. But like the old joke about the ag extension agent trying to get a farmer to improve his practices with information, “Heck, I don’t farm as well as I know how to today.”
Picking strawberries at a rate that beats human pickers, given the endless amount of variables, is insanely hard. Why not pick another task like data collection, you ask, because its just not important enough. So what you have is a bunch of techbros making SISP's and attracting VC's who are hopped up on SaaS sugar rushes, the tech doesn't work and the company folds, and the farmers get disillusioned and less amicable to the next entreprenuer.
In 2025, we're in like the third cycle of this.
erikerikson•7mo ago
Not agriculture, cattle
seadan83•7mo ago
"Animal husbandry, is the branch of agriculture concerned with animals that are raised for meat, fibre, milk, or other products" [2]
[1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/animal-products/cattle-beef/...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_husbandry
erikerikson•7mo ago
seadan83•7mo ago
I kinda think I know what you mean, but could use clarification as I might be offbase.
Sorry to reply with only definitions. Just giving evidence that livestock farming is considered agriculture.
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throwaway070625•7mo ago
Farmers are also really getting into things like drones for pesticide application as it's faster, more accurate, and has less waste.
It's happening whether or not people want to believe it, from Texas up to Illinois/Wisconsin and everywhere inbetween.
hey, if you want to get away from big tech and you're not scared of rural life -- farmers need IT folks. They have racks of Supermicro servers on premises that need maintaining because they can't trust the cloud // internet can be unreliable. They have sensors and repeaters on the field perimeters that need maintenance.
There's a lot of IT work to be done in rural America with a slower pace of life if you're not afraid of coexisting with country folk. For those of us that grew up there and migrated to the city for corporate IT jobs -- I expect we'll be going back to our roots and serving our communities with these skills instead so we don't have to deal with AI screened jobs and take-home programming tests
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phil21•7mo ago
A contracting IT job trekking between a few farms and monitoring them remotely sounds pretty great to me! And right up my alley in terms of skillsets and interests.
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euroderf•7mo ago
Has anyone thought to put these on human beings (who are not in assisted living situations) ?