I'm sure there's some sort of point I'm making about the absurdity of a signature being used to verify anything (when the nice old lady volunteering at the polling station makes me sign again because it doesn't quite look like my signature even though I have photo ID and have arrived in person at the correct polling location I want to do a backflip, but I of course don't because I want to be nice to the old lady), but mostly it just makes me smile.
This is madness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent#/media/File:Deutsche_K...
> now frequently sign my name with it to the general dissatisfaction of everyone in my life.
When I was a kid, I thought there was a special way to sign things, given how everyone's signatures looked like elaborate Lissajous curves. For awhile, once I had to start signing things, I took care to make sure my name was legible and consistent.
Then I realized I could just make a little wavy squiggle, and nobody cared. Eventually I realized that most signatures, I didn't even have to do a wavy squiggle - the credit card machines at stores would be perfectly happy to accept a straight line, or just a first initial, or a drawing of a kitty-cat.
Despite, I have not retained fluency in it. By 8th grade I'd stopped using it and then fell out of practice.
I still have the sheet. And it’s so weird to see vectors and matrices denoted with Latin letters. I still use Sütterlin.
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Longhanks•2h ago
This is what is taught in german schools: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schreibschrift#/media/Datei:De...
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hmry•2h ago
When I went to school, the one I learned was Schulausgangsschrift https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Schulausgangsschrift...
To me, the Sütterlin sample on Wikipedia is completely incomprehensible.
obfuscator•1h ago
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pbmonster•2h ago
They are remarkably different. Especially the lower-case letters, where around half are completely unrecognizable. Cursive Latin is arguably closer to cursive Greek than to Sütterlin.
Some lower-case letters straight changed meaning during the Sütterlin->Latin transition. d->v, e->n, ect.
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ginko•2h ago
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent
adornKey•2h ago
In Algebraic Number Theory it's quite common to use some kind of Fraktur-Alphabet for Symbols (Rings, Ideals, Groups,...). It's natural there to use some kind of Sütterlin for hand-writing and exercises. But I think to become really fluent, you have to dive very deep into Algebra... There are some letters you'll use a lot like p(rime), M(odule), G(roup), R(ing), A(lternating Group), S(ymmetric Group). I don't think I've read/written all available letters yet...
h05sz487b•1h ago
deng•1h ago
Generally, no. It is too confusing, since not only are many letters simply obtuse, some are mixed up with modern cursive writing. For instance, capital 'B' is pretty much exactly capital 'L', small 'h' is exactly 'f', small 'o' is 'v', and so on.
Fraktur for instance is much, much easier to read, since there is basically just one mix-up ('s'/'f'), it just takes some getting used to.
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4bpp•1h ago
I get the sense, though, that especially in Bavaria it held on for a while even after WWII - very rarely you still see storefront signs written in it for flair, and somewhat more often you encounter subtle "Sütterlinisms" like having a lower half-arc above the cursive letter 'u' in the handwriting of older people and signage meant to evoke it.
crussmann•1h ago
What's interesting is that it's pretty much impossible for me to read if used for a non-German language. Sütterlin for English text? My brain cannot parse this at all - the script automatically flips my brain to German!
4bpp•1h ago
In a way, this could also be compared to the present-day use of katakana for loanwords and hiragana for native text in Japanese (which ironically only crystallised as a universal convention after WWII).
jFriedensreich•43m ago