I wonder what active inertia response is and why it is limited to 25 seconds.
The normal rotating machines have inertia, stored rotational kinetic energy, so when electrical load is added and mechanical power in does not immediately change they new load is fed by the generator very slightly Slowing down and measured by a decreasing frequency.
How would active inertia be different from the inverter simply putting out more power when frequency drops?
Active inertia or synthetic inertia do vary power when frequency changes but the key is the dynamic behavior. They typically do so by emulating a synchronous machine by implementing something like the swing equation in the active power control (see REGFM_B1 [1]). They essentially emulate the inertia, which makes them have some damping in changing the phase angle and frequency of their voltage waveform just like a spinning synchronous generator would when resisting frequency changes due to physical inertia, resulting in an inertial active power response. This makes it easier for people to analyze because they understand the swing equation from synchronous generators.
A machine with infinite inertia would resist any frequency change and instantly go to maximum or minimum power upon any grid frequency deviation.
A 25s inertia constant is impressive. The hydro units I work on are anywhere from 1s for newer units to 7s for older ones intended to run isolated networks. And then the ease of frequency regulation on the unit is dictated by the inertia of the water in the water conveyance system “water starting time”
So 25s inertia constant would appear to be a response to frequency change much faster and greater than the typical 5% droop implemented by the governors controlling mechanical power applied to the shaft.
Wild stuff!
Since these are so small, we could augment the last neighborhood level transformers with these and upgrade the local grid. Home solar could charge into these, we really could do peak shaving at the local level.
The other use would be for data centers to buy when power is cheap and shave their peaks as well.
I am very bullish on utility scale batteries.
philipkglass•4mo ago
At the heart of HaoHan is BYD’s self-developed 2,710 Ah Blade Battery cell, which the company claims is the largest energy storage cell in the world. This next-generation cell delivers three times the capacity of conventional storage batteries, boasts a cycle life of over 10,000 cycles, and reduces the total lifecycle cost per kilowatt-hour to below CNY 0.1 ($0.014) – a milestone that could reshape the economics of large-scale storage.
At 1.4 cents per kilowatt hour to store, that actually puts storage cost below generation cost for solar power. In sunny regions solar without storage has been cheaper than fossil generation for a few years now, but with batteries like these it's going to be cheaper than fossils for overnight usage too.
The other exciting thing is that while this is a Chinese product, we can expect similar cost drops outside of China over time. Today's non-Chinese solar cells are about where Chinese solar cell prices were 5-9 years ago. China gets the low prices first, but global manufacturing costs keep dropping too because the lower costs are driven more by technological improvements than by China-specific factors like inexpensive labor or lax environmental standards.
toomuchtodo•4mo ago
https://ourworldindata.org/battery-price-decline
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-battery-cell-pric...
https://rmi.org/the-rise-of-batteries-in-six-charts-and-not-...
https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy25osti/93281.pdf
https://about.bnef.com/insights/commodities/lithium-ion-batt...
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onraglanroad•4mo ago
What's that supposed to be the price of?
I guess if you have 10,000 cycles and one kWh costs $0.014, then that's just the cost of 10,000 kWh.
torginus•4mo ago
(10000x3.7V2710Ah$0.014) <- total cost of the pack
/
10 <- normalize to 1kWh
=
$140
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abdullahkhalids•4mo ago
[1] https://reneweconomy.com.au/mind-blowing-battery-cell-prices...
toomuchtodo•4mo ago
https://reneweconomy.com.au/watershed-moment-big-battery-sto...
> The latest auction in China offered 25 gigawatt hours of capacity for lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries over a range of storage periods – 1 hour, 2 hour and 4 hours – and the results (the first time they have been broken down on storage duration) have stunned even seasoned onlookers. The knockout price was a bid of $US51.59/kWh for a four hour battery (the average was $US59/kWh), which Energy Storage News says represents a 30 per cent drop from 2024 levels, and others side was a 15 per cent fall from recent record lows.
It would be exciting if the price continues to decline 15-30 percent per year. Unsure if that’s sustainable at current manufacturing and learning rates, but exciting.
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https://www.ess-news.com/2025/06/03/china-launches-worlds-fi...
whitehexagon•4mo ago
1200eur bought me a reasonable LiPo solar 'buffer battery' for evenings, and ROI is maybe 3 years vs buying fosil fuel electrons at peak tarif. Plus savings from being able to drop the fixed ~70% of my bill grid connection charge.
Anyway, exciting to see that I might soon be able to afford enough storage for cloudy days too. Thanks for the extra details, sounds too good to be true.
tim333•4mo ago