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The lost cause of the Lisp machines

https://www.tfeb.org/fragments/2025/11/18/the-lost-cause-of-the-lisp-machines/
21•enbywithunix•11h ago

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N_Lens•52m ago
"Old man yells at Lisp Machines (And their enthusiasts)"
eschaton•49m ago
Symbolics’ big fumble was thinking their CPU was their special sauce for way too long.

They showed signs that some people there understood that their development environment was it, but it obviously never fully got through to decision-makers: They had CLOE, a 386 PC deployment story in partnership with Gold Hill, but they’d have been far better served by acquiring Gold Hill and porting Genera to the 386 PC architecture.

anonnon•25m ago
For those unaware, Symbolics eventually "pivoted" to DEC Alpha, a supposedly "open" architecture, which is how Genera became Open Genera, like OpenVMS. (And still, like OpenVMS, heavily proprietary.)
f1shy•19m ago
Wasn’t the “open” at the time meaning “open system” as a system that is open for external connections (aka networking) and not so much open as in “open source”?
larsbrinkhoff•5m ago
Yes, but also. OpenGenera was ported to x86 some time ago.
karlgkk•42m ago
“ I am just really bored by Lisp Machine romantics at this point: they should go away. I expect they never will.”

What? They’re awesome. They present a vision of the future that never happened. And I don’t think anyone serious expects lisp machines to come back btw.

mghackerlady•33m ago
I'm honestly surprised nobody tried to capitalize on the early 2000s Java hype by making some kind of Java box (there were a few things labeled as a Java OS or a Java workstation but none of these were really a "Java Machine")
lukego•28m ago
Sun JavaStation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaStation
viccis•6m ago
>They present a vision of the future that never happened

Hauntology strikes again

larsbrinkhoff•4m ago
See also:

Amiga romantics.

8-bit romantics.

PDP-10 romantics.

Let them stay. Let them romantizice. <glasses tint="rose">

rmunn•34m ago
Time to dig up a classic story about Tom Knight, who designed the first prototype of the Lisp Machine at MIT in the mid-70's. It's in the form of a classic Zen koan. This copy comes from https://jargondb.org/some_ai_koans but I've seen plenty of variations floating around.

A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning the power off and on.

Knight, seeing what the student was doing, spoke sternly: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.”

Knight turned the machine off and on.

The machine worked.

f1shy•23m ago
Everybody knows, you have to wait at least 5 tau.
pjmlp•25m ago
The Lisp environments are definitely around, in LispWorks and Allegro Common Lisp.
f1shy•24m ago
And portacle.
rausr•21m ago
Although Portacle isn't being maintained any more (at least as far as the main developer was concerned last time I looked a few months ago).
xkriva11•13m ago
You may try CADR (precursor to Genera) on-line: https://lispcafe.org/cadr/usim.html

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