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US Government wants DNA and social media from visitors

https://www.privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/5713/trump-administration-wants-your-dna-and-social-media
48•keiferski•5h ago

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cebert•5h ago
That would be a hard pass for me entering any country.
greggoB•3h ago
I almost want them to pass it through before the FIFA World Cup kicks off in July, and see how that affects visitor numbers. I'd like to think it would absolute tank the event (good, because also fuck FIFA, especially after their "peace prize" bullshit), but honestly I don't have faith in most people to consider this a deal-breaker for them.

My parents live in the US, they are aware (and accept) this would be a reason I wouldn't be able to visit them and instead we'd have to meet somewhere else.

31337Logic•4h ago
I am just so incredibly sad for the children who will inherit this shit after I'm gone. Who among us is brave enough to try and stop this? I had my free and fun life... hopefully you can have the same.
therobots927•1h ago
The bot brigade doesn’t tolerate such thoughts. Think more carefully next time about how your words reflect on the current administration, citizen.
jerojero•2h ago
I currently go to the USA about once a year to visit friends.

If this comes to pass I'll probably not do that anymore.

greatgib•2h ago
Will all of that, forcing you to install apps to complete the esta and forcing you to install the CBP app to track your movement in and out of US looks totally wide to me.
gsck•1h ago
Does the ESTA not already require social media? I recall having to provide stuff like that when I applied for mine a few months back
grumbelbart2•1h ago
Last time I filled it out it was optional. Nor sure if that changed in the last year.
circlefavshape•1h ago
I filled one out a few weeks ago, think it was still optional. I just put linkedin
circlefavshape•1h ago
... though having said that I have a very google-able name so if someone wants to find my facebook profile it's not very difficult
gsck•41m ago
I put my Linkedin and my Twitter, don't bother with politicking on my Twitter and my LinkedIn is a hollow sad looking profile. Didn't realise it was optional and just put it in.

Can't wait to get turned away at the border when flying there in a few months for a new job for liking something years ago.

brettermeier•1h ago
Who in his right mind would want to visit a fashist country? People are strange.
mapt•1h ago
It's not fascist until we're speaking Italian.
direwolf20•27m ago
Otherwise it's just sparkling authoritarianism.
0xy•24m ago
Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK all routinely ask for this and search your devices.
therobots927•1h ago
Bye bye US tourism industry
direwolf20•27m ago
It already went away when they detained tourists for months.
blacklion•1h ago
How easy to persuade officer that you truly don't have any social media accounts?
direwolf20•28m ago
Depends if they can Google your name or any identifier you gave them and find something. Not just Google, but also their internal tools. They can ask Facebook: is this email address associated with any Facebook account? How about this phone number? Those are two things you need to provide on your visa application.
everdrive•1h ago
This is obviously very troubling, but I do wonder what the actual technical mechanisms are for "turning over your social media." Do you ....

- Give them your user names and (when possible) the government subpoenas the companies?

- Give them your user names and they just see what's publicly available?

- Require you to give them your passwords?

- Hook your phone up to some device that steals data on the device?

- Something else?

Does anyone know? I'm also interested in the case where you legitimately don't have social media. Does anyone know what happens then? I understand that can look suspicious, but what if you had to travel to the US unexpectedly? You can't go back in time and build 5 years of social media so you don't look suspicious. (on principle, I wouldn't do this anyway.)

[edit]

And what if your social media is Chinese and private? They just can't do anything then.

footy•1h ago
I don't know how it would work for people who can travel visa free, but for people on K-1, F-, M- and J-visas, as well as for people on work visas, you're required to set your social media visibility to public between the time when you apply for the visa and the time when a decision is made on it.
sellmesoap•10m ago
TFA says they want a 10 year span of email addresses, so any system they have a back-end adapter for in this Post Snowden show.

When every service I use has its own email address, that makes it a pain for me to travel and be truthful on the form. I wonder how their AI deals sarcasm: Entry denied, funny-boy!

reorder9695•53m ago
I would worry about them not liking the (true in my case at least) answer of "I don't have social media".
mywittyname•30m ago
Same.

Regular people give me weird looks when I claim not to use social media.

direwolf20•29m ago
They wouldn't allow you in, then they'd deport you to Guantanamo Bay for being a terrorist. Probably. I assume.
RobT7k•6m ago
Isn't your Hackernews account a "Social Media" account? Maybe it is, maybe it's not. We have no idea what the Governments definition of a Social Media Account is.
sellmesoap•20m ago
They just need to see your comments and how many stars you have on you *hub.com account.

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