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Does running wear out the bodies of professionals and amateurs alike?

https://theconversation.com/does-running-wear-out-the-bodies-of-professionals-and-amateurs-alike-270507
32•PaulHoule•2h ago

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roschdal•1h ago
Yes
bossyTeacher•1h ago
I mean the consensus is that to improve you kinda have to put a certain level of unusually high stress on your body. While amateurs do it at a lower level, amateurs likely like the genetics that makes increases resistance to slows down the wearing process and also lack regular constant monitoring of exercise intensity, frequency, rests, diet etc.
FeteCommuniste•1h ago
I've been lucky to run fourteen years so far without any injuries at all, starting when I was twenty-seven. I don't train "for" anything, though, other than maintaining my own fitness. I just do my 10K three times a week and that's good enough for me.
3moloz•52m ago
What's your secret to longevity? Do you not push tempo to, hopefully, lessen the stress on your body?
markstos•48m ago
I've been running about the same amount of years, starting at age 38, including sometimes as many as 14 runs of 26.2 or longer in a year.

Keeping 80% or more of the volume at an easy effort is part of that. I think diet helps, because depending on what you eat, you are could be contributing to more or less inflammation in the body, which both could make injury more likely and recovery slower. I eat whole-food, plant-based.

I expect a good stretching routine would also aid injury prevention, but I've been pretty lousy about that most of the time.

FeteCommuniste•30m ago
I don't push myself that hard. If I don't feel that hot (slept poorly, sick recently), I'll do a shorter run.

Average heart rate is around 140.

evenman02•17m ago
The best way for me to avoid injury is to just not run if I dont feel good. If I dont sleep well, or feel like I am getting a little sick, I just take the day off. If my ankle or knee doesnt feel quite right, I skip my run.

To maintain my fitness, I do a mix of gym strength training, bike riding, and running, which also helps reduce some stress from any one type of training.

mycall•40m ago
I do 10K twice a week, but walking speed with a 15kg backpack for load training. It is safer on my joints and pushes my body harder but obviously takes much longer than running.
WalterBright•14m ago
I've been running 3x a week for over 40 years now.

* about 4 miles

* I don't run for time, just a trot

* not training for anything

* drink a full glass of water beforehand. If sweaty outside, two glasses

* had some pain in my hips and knees. Switched to a ball-strike rather than a heel-strike. Pain went away. (you can feel the difference in the impact on the knees and hips)

* don't run downhill

* the big toe joint hurts and has gotten large making it hard to find shoes that fit

* don't run when not feeling well, or there's ice

* I feel weird when I can't run for some reason

* It feels good to run, and I like the results

mistrial9•1h ago
reading some popular media from around 1900 in the USA, it seemed to be a common perception that people who trained for track and field events generally expect a short life somehow.
boomboomsubban•50m ago
If you read about their wellness and performance enhancing drugs, there's good reason they died young.

For example, the 1904 Olympic marathon, the organizer believed drinking water was a bad idea while exercising and the winner took a mix of brandy, strychnine and egg whites during the race.

lnkl•46m ago
I don't understand this, didn't they feel like crap all the time with such diet?
Tagbert•33m ago
But… winning!
boomboomsubban•20m ago
Most racers didn't finish, so the water idea was just dumb. I'm not sure how serious anyone that actually trained ever took it.

The strychnine man did feel like crap. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_1904_Summer_O...

>Hicks led the race by 1.5 miles (2.4 km), but he had to be restrained from stopping and lying down by his trainers....He continued to battle onwards, hallucinating, and was barely able to walk for most of the course. When he reached the stadium, his support team carried him over the line, holding him in the air while he shuffled his feet as if still running.

istjohn•23m ago
The Wikipedia article on that race is a must-read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_1904_Summer_O...
asplake•1h ago
Nursing a sore right Achilles as I read this...
PaulHoule•1h ago
Funny two weekends ago I watched a woman set a world record for the mile for women 80-85.
bob1029•52m ago
I think that supercompensation is not as strong an effect in amateurs and that this is the #1 driver of injury.

I've long suspected there is a range of exertion that is net negative with regard to injury risk. No exercise at all means no exercise related risk. However, I strongly disagree that an extreme amount of exercise is the riskiest. I think the most dangerous level of exertion sits right in the middle somewhere. That special zone where you are grinding down your bones a bit but your hormones and other compensation mechanisms don't react accordingly because you aren't going quite hard enough.

markstos•52m ago
It depends on the intensity level. In the pandemic of 2020, I ran 26.2 mile runs at an easy effort for 5 weekends in row in the spring and 6 in the fall, generally with my easy effort getting faster as I went. Rather than the sequence of big runs wearing my out, I was getting stronger.

Now, if I had tried to run every one at "race pace", I would likely be trashed or injured by the end from insufficient recovery.

mycall•43m ago
The key is simply to keep moving.

Staying safer and getting the benefits comes down to progressive training (carefully managing volume and intensity), adapting lifestyle/recovery, and getting guidance/support (coaches, clubs, medical help) rather than assuming pros are built differently and amateurs are safe.

Aboutplants•37m ago
My doctors recommendation has always been “Eat a little better and move around a little bit, that’s your goal”
Someone•41m ago
FTA:

“A high-level athlete doesn’t need to see a sports doctor.

[…]

Professional athletes benefit from much better […] medical support than novice or amateur runners”

So, which is it? You might say their “specific programme that includes dietary measures, recovery phases and processes” is medical support but doesn’t involve doctors, but if you do, I think that’s playing with words.

clumsysmurf•31m ago
> Note the paradox here: one of the principles of training is to stimulate the body, to “wear it out” at a given moment in time in order to trigger the physiological processes that will lead to improved capabilities, the fight against fatigue… and, ultimately, increased resistance to physical stress.

A somewhat recent paper:

Systematic review and meta-analysis of antioxidants with or without exercise training improving muscle condition in older adults

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12491480/

Seems to imply that as we get older, antioxidants might help the body recover from exercise. More specifically, antioxidants may help resolve exercise induced inflammation in adults aged over 55 years.

So it seems that, yes, as you get older, its easier for the body to wear down, but this can be mitigated somewhat.

_aleph2c_•19m ago
TLDR: no, they do not wear out the body in the same way
1970-01-01•14m ago
Professional runners will do high impact lifting and daily stretching. Amateurs will do whatever they feel like doing for prep work, including nothing at all. It's disturbing that they leave this critical detail out.

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