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Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

https://an.dywa.ng/carrier-gnss.html
95•cbeuw•1h ago•54 comments

Genode OS is a tool kit for building highly secure special-purpose OS

https://genode.org/about/index
18•doener•39m ago•0 comments

Antirender: remove the glossy shine on architectural renderings

https://antirender.com/
1717•iambateman•22h ago•412 comments

Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

33•cvhc•42m ago•36 comments

Animated AVIF for the Modern Web

https://arthur.pizza/2025/12/animated-avif-for-the-modern-web/
38•sdoering•5d ago•18 comments

CPython Internals Explained

https://github.com/zpoint/CPython-Internals
83•yufiz•4d ago•21 comments

Finland to end "uncontrolled human experiment" with ban on youth social media

https://yle.fi/a/74-20207494
56•Teever•1h ago•29 comments

We have ipinfo at home or how to geolocate IPs in your CLI using latency

https://blog.globalping.io/we-have-ipinfo-at-home-or-how-to-geolocate-ips-in-your-cli-using-latency/
153•jimaek•9h ago•44 comments

Guix System First Impressions as a Nix User

https://nemin.hu/guix.html
87•todsacerdoti•7h ago•25 comments

NASA's WB-57 crash lands at Houston

https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/01/one-of-nasas-three-wb-57-aircraft-just-did-a-belly-landing-...
107•verzali•3d ago•55 comments

Quaternion Algebras

https://jvoight.github.io/quat.html
74•teleforce•4d ago•27 comments

My Ridiculously Robust Photo Management System (Immich Edition)

https://jaisenmathai.com/articles/my-ridiculously-robust-photo-management-system-immich-edition/
163•jmathai•3d ago•66 comments

Show HN: I trained a 9M speech model to fix my Mandarin tones

https://simedw.com/2026/01/31/ear-pronunication-via-ctc/
380•simedw•17h ago•113 comments

"Giving up upstream-ing my patches & feel free to pick them up"

https://mail.openjdk.org/pipermail/hotspot-dev/2026-January/118080.html
62•csmantle•7h ago•22 comments

Apple Platform Security (Jan 2026) [pdf]

https://help.apple.com/pdf/security/en_US/apple-platform-security-guide.pdf
77•pieterr•2h ago•51 comments

Sumerian Star Map Recorded the Impact of an Asteroid (2024)

https://archaeologyworlds.com/5500-year-old-sumerian-star-map-recorded/
117•griffzhowl•11h ago•38 comments

Insane Growth Goldbridge (YC F25) Is Hiring a Forward Deployed Engineer

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/goldbridge/jobs/78gGEHh-forward-deployed-engineer
1•alvinsalehi•6h ago

Moltbook

https://www.moltbook.com/
1618•teej•1d ago•760 comments

Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/30/euro_firms_must_ditch_us/
594•jamesblonde•8h ago•548 comments

Peerweb: Decentralized website hosting via WebTorrent

https://peerweb.lol/
330•dtj1123•22h ago•107 comments

Bitcoin Looks Set for Longest Monthly Losing Streak Since 2018

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-30/bitcoin-btc-slides-toward-longest-monthly-losi...
24•1vuio0pswjnm7•1h ago•3 comments

Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/college-students-ai-cheating-detectors-humanizers-rcna253878
5•unpredict•3d ago•0 comments

HTTP Cats

https://http.cat/
500•surprisetalk•1d ago•79 comments

Implementing the Transcendental Functions in Ivy

https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2026/01/implementing-transcendental-functions.html
27•chmaynard•5d ago•3 comments

Predicting how Heathrow is using it's runways in the browser

https://blog.billyedmoore.com/heathrow
8•Billyedmoore•5d ago•2 comments

Guest Post from an Iranian

https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=9530
5•Tomte•26m ago•0 comments

A Step Behind the Bleeding Edge: A Philosophy on AI in Dev

https://somehowmanage.com/2026/01/22/a-step-behind-the-bleeding-edge-monarchs-philosophy-on-ai-in...
122•Ozzie_osman•2d ago•61 comments

Show HN: Phage Explorer

https://phage-explorer.org/
107•eigenvalue•13h ago•24 comments

An anecdote about backward compatibility

https://blog.plover.com/2026/01/26/#wrterm
77•speckx•5d ago•20 comments

Disrupting the largest residential proxy network

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/disrupting-largest-residential-proxy-net...
209•cdrnsf•2d ago•192 comments
Open in hackernews

The Film Students Who Can No Longer Sit Through Films

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/college-students-movies-attention-span/685812/
55•haunter•2h ago

Comments

haunter•2h ago
https://archive.md/GFWzW
recursivedoubts•1h ago
OK, phones & social media are obviously dangerously addictive.

Now what?

tartoran•1h ago
Get off them. Many started to already.
sodapopcan•1h ago
I'm just about one month into a flip phone. I still spend way too much time on my laptop when I'm home (and I'm home a lot) but I'm not missing my iPhone at all. When I am out, though, it's nice not having the option to look at the internet. Instead I pet my dog, talk to people, or just look around and think like I used to all those years ago.
tartoran•23m ago
Question, how do you fare with a flip phone and SPAM SMS/text messages? Smart phones can at least contain them, silence them, mark them as junk etc..
mym1990•1h ago
About as useful as telling a heroine addict to get off heroine, except that screen addiction is much more subtle in the harmful effects, but is incredibly corrosive over time. Almost all tech products in the world are pushing for more and more screentime, there is really not much regulation in sight, in the US at least(go Australia!). The best hope is that one day an Ozempic for screen time comes out!
sho_hn•1h ago
It's a bit more useful, in that the consensus on "phone use bad" is still a lot more shaky than "heroin bad".
nottorp•1h ago
On a tangent, maybe we can save reading by doing more flash fiction?
semilin•1h ago
Short stories. At my high school (from which I graduated a few years ago) practically no one read anything assigned. Yet I observed in a short story class I took that at least the majority of students consistently read the stories, and this led to insightful discussions. High value ideas that are quick to absorb but slow to understand are a better avenue to appreciating long-form literature.
bloqs•1h ago
Just needs to be broken down into series of scrollable short format clips with different dramatic snippets of distorted music over each one
philipallstar•1h ago
And mirrored to avoid copyright detection.
bitwize•1h ago
Don't forget Subway Surfers along the sides!
actionfromafar•1h ago
With someone peeling a carrot on half of the screen.
D13Fd•1h ago
And an outrage-inducing political bent.
brycewray•42m ago
And every line of dialog shown, no more than five words at a time, in all-caps and bold-faced yellow superimposed text in a font that resembles a comic book sound effect.
philipallstar•1h ago
> Smith has administered similar exams for almost two decades; he had to grade his most recent exam on a curve to keep students’ marks within a normal range.

This is really silly. Just fail them. They are not customers.

crazygringo•1h ago
They literally are customers. They pay money in exchange for an education and a degree.

You start failing too many students, it becomes a risky place to enroll, enrollment drops, they can't cover their expenses, and they close.

Edit: I'm not defending this, just explaining it. It's inevitable under a private education system, unless you literally legislate and enforce grading on a curve within all private institutions, which doesn't seem to be a popular idea among voters in free democracies either.

appreciatorBus•1h ago
Yes.
yladiz•1h ago
They are paying for the education, but not for the degree, and they’re not paying to get a passing grade even if they do poorly.

I wouldn’t necessarily agree that we should just fail the students, clearly something is going on if the professor has to use a curve unexpectedly, but we shouldn’t just accept this as okay simply because they are paying.

kranner•1h ago
Film studies is kind of well known for being a vanity degree for rich people's kids. At least all the film studies students I know from India who're studying in the US are without exception the kids of super-rich businessmen and politicians.

The serious ones are all either already working in the industry or studying at the super-competitive National School of Drama.

add-sub-mul-div•1h ago
I think we're all in agreement about what should be the case, but in practice I think the majority are buying a degree and don't care about learning beyond the minimum they need in order to earn or fake their way into a job. Look at how people are flocking to AI. The typical person wants a button to press to give them an answer or complete a task. Every day we see headlines about people carelessly accepting laughably wrong LLM output.
actionfromafar•1h ago
This actually made me a little angry, to my surprise. :-D

I thought film student was almost like a holy calling, an opportunity that passed me by. Clearly, it's just the equivalent to another biz management course to some of these students.

mmooss•1h ago
If you have that passion, you should study film - it's never too late, and your passion will take you much further than the people just taking courses. You won't regret it.

It's like people in IT who went to some technical degree factory and got a certification, compared to those who took apart their parent's computer, figured out how to install Linux, hacked their own drivers and apps, etc.

rwc•1h ago
"Many students are resisting the idea of in-person screenings altogether. Given the ease of streaming assignments from their dorm rooms, they see gathering in a campus theater as an imposition."

Students telegraphing to the film world that a coming generation of consumers simply won't be going to the theatre. The article is framed as a tragedy about the students, but it's actually a tragedy about the professors and institution of moviegoing.

sidewndr46•1h ago
So Quibi had the right idea, just a decade too early?
azinman2•1h ago
This is so tragic. How are these folks going to lead the world when they cannot pay attention to anything?
cat-snatcher•1h ago
30 seconds at a time
p1esk•1h ago
Did kids pay attention 100 years ago?
PeterStuer•1h ago
If they did not they would lose some digits or limbs working unsafe machinery etc.
bdcp•1h ago
Kids no, students yes?
SkyeCA•1h ago
Just let AI run the world. It quite literally can't do any worse than our existing leaders.
jfengel•1h ago
Not sure if you're being sarcastic. A lot of the people currently running the world seem to have poor attention spans as well. Others have great attention spans, and I wish they'd pay attention to something different.

I'm not scared of the kids today running the world differently. Maybe it'll suck but I don't think the way it's running now is any great shakes, either.

azinman2•42m ago
I’m not being sarcastic. Running the world is more than just who is president… it’s who your doctors are, your electrical repairmen, your nannies, etc. It’s not like this is the only example of where the younger generation is different… we see reports everywhere that college students cannot read full sentences anymore. When you have such a generational lag (independent of outliers), it drags all of society down.
bogdart•1h ago
If the film students are not able to sit through a film, they just are needed to be kicked out, that's it.
treelover•1h ago
Is it a loss of attention span, or is the 2-hour feature film simply an outdated format for the current generation?

The information density of a slow 1970s drama is incredibly low compared to the multi-stream environment they grew up in. They aren't necessarily 'dumber'; their brains are just optimized for high-frequency information processing, whereas cinema is optimized for immersion.

appreciatorBus•1h ago
It's also possible that long films were always an abomination, existing solely to pad the maker's ego, and they were only tolerated previously because the of a dearth of alternatives.
dangus•1h ago
I do sometimes think about slow burn movies and how they are hard to find outside of Oscar bait type of pictures.

Just looking at kids movies, something like My Neighbor Totoro has many scenes involving ambient sound with no dialog or background music, and it’s a major contrast compared to today’s 3D dopamine festivals.

On the other hand, that might just be survivorship bias. I’m cherry picking the best kids movie of its decade and comparing it to Boss Baby 2.

Finally, I’d also say my default read of articles like this are that they’re probably idle “the kids these days are bad” concern bait.

A professor complaining that his students won’t do their homework is not new and it’s not news. It is a statistical certainty.

Avatar 3 is making a billion dollars on people willing to sit through a 2.5 hour movie.

bronlund•1h ago
A 2.5 hour movie that don’t make any sense even.
steve1977•1h ago
> Is it a loss of attention span, or is the 2-hour feature film simply an outdated format for the current generation?

Why would you think it's an outdated format for the current generation if not for their loss of attention span?

AlienRobot•1h ago
>their brains are just optimized for high-frequency information processing

Wow, is there any evidence of this?

alamortsubite•9m ago
I like to imagine it's the same neurological phenomenon as Mal de débarquement syndrome[1], but as a result of spending too much time on one's phone, rather than choppy waters.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal_de_debarquement

Cpoll•1h ago
Is information density a meaningful metric for movies?

I'm reminded of Kubrick's long pauses, or the space scenes in 2001, which are there to set the tone or give the viewer time to consider the situation, not to deliver information.

WalterBright•1h ago
It came out when I was a kid, and I loved every second of those long boring sequences in it. 2001 was totally unique. I've probably seen it more times than any other movie. Once my college dorm went to see it in 70mm. Great memories.
ksymph•1h ago
Why would someone study film if they're not interested in it? People have been bored by movies nearly as long as movies have existed; but historically I don't think those people would go into college to study it.

What changed? It's not like there's a lot of money in film, so I struggle to understand the motivations there.

sowbug•1h ago
"... go into college ..." makes it sound like more of an active decision than it is for many students who treat it as four more years of high school. It's not surprising that such students might pick a major that sounds more fun (movies!!) than subjects they already find tedious (more math, more history, more foreign language).

I wish I'd taken a year off after high school to get a job and at least pretend to earn a living. I wonder whether I might have embraced college more if I had.

taude•1h ago
Career prospects with better odds becoming a Hollywood film director than a Junior Developer in software in the age of AI? ;). (I joke, I joke.)
bronlund•1h ago
There is no attention-span crisis, it’s just that the younger generation find a lot of stuff utterly boring. If they do something they love, they have no issue focusing for hours and hours.
semilin•1h ago
This is reductive. It's true that interest conquers inattention, but the attention span crisis really represents a prioritization of exploitation over exploration. That is to say that many people are far less able to seek value in things which require more effort in the finding (e.g., long-form media such as books and movies). You could reasonably argue that this is not a real problem, but it is undeniably happening.
bronlund•1h ago
This is just not true. My daughter, who finds school boring to the point of depression, has no problem spending hours reading the complete Akira manga in a foreign language. The crisis you are talking about is not in the people, but in the system.
semilin•1h ago
It can be both. I went through a very similar experience with school -- it was miserably boring to me, and I found solace in valuable and educational experiences I sought out myself at home. In this way I empathize strongly and I agree that the schooling system is massively flawed in this regard.

Still, from my just-as-anecdotal observations, it seems to me that social media addiction exacerbates the issues. I and many peers of mine fell out of reading for fun around the beginning of high school, and this was due in part to both technology and burnout from school. Screen addiction can be an obstruction to activities that one actually loves doing, just as school can.

bronlund•45m ago
Good point.
alecco•1h ago
Multiple teachers in my family report there is an attention crisis. And worse, the kids are addicted to their screens and even show signs of withdrawal in class. One case required professional intervention and the parents didn't seem bothered about it.
bronlund•52m ago
Just because the kids aren’t paying attention to the teachers, doesn’t mean they are having problem focusing. They are probably learning more from their screens, than from the teachers. When the only book in town was the bible and the only guy who had it was the priest, it made sense to have him front and center giving out all the answers. This is not the reality anymore and now kids can probably learn better by themselves. You should look into the work of Sugata Mitra.
crazygringo•1h ago
Counterpoint from the article:

> A handful of professors told me they hadn’t noticed any change. Some students have always found old movies to be slow, Lynn Spigel, a professor of screen cultures at Northwestern University, told me. “But the ones who are really dedicated to learning film always were into it, and they still are.”

The article doesn't actually give any evidence attention spans are shortened. Many of the movies you study in film school are genuinely excruciatingly slow and boring, unless you're hyper-motivated. Before mobile phones, you didn't have any choice but to sit through it. Now you have a choice. I suspect that film students 30 years ago, despite having a "full attention span", would also have been entertaining themselves on phones if they'd had them.

I love movies. But I also make liberal use of 2x speed and +5s during interminably long suspense sequences that are literally just someone walking through a dark environment while spooky music plays. It's not that I suffer from a short attention span, it's that there's nothing to pay attention to. There's no virtue in suffering through boredom.

IshKebab•1h ago
Yeah given some are saying there's no difference, I'd probably put this down to "kids these days" that literally every generation imagines.
vitaelabitur•47m ago
The word you are looking for, if you are looking for one, is declinism.
llbbdd•1h ago
You're not the first person I've seen say that they do that with movies and I just can't put myself in your shoes. If there's nothing to pay attention to during those sequences then the whole movie isn't worth it, if I felt like juggling the fast forward for a movie I would just turn it off. It's like cropping the intentional negative space around a painting or skipping over dramatic silence in a musical piece. Tension and mood are built during those slow sequences. Can you give an example of a movie you enjoyed but had to skip sections of that way?
crazygringo•1h ago
> If there's nothing to pay attention to during those sequences then the whole movie isn't worth it

To the contrary, the rest of the movie can be great. I'm not going to skip a movie entirely just because a couple of sections could have been a lot tighter, that would be silly.

> Can you give an example of a movie you enjoyed but had to skip sections of that way?

Not a movie, but I found myself doing it a huge amount across both seasons of The Last of Us. It's a great show, but I watch it for the personal relationships and stories and imaginative element. The "haunted house" parts feel like switching from a fascinating TV show to an amusement park ride, which has no interest for me. After 15 seconds of it, I've already got the tension and mood. I don't need 5 more minutes of it. It's incredibly repetitive.

But that's just me -- I'm sure there are other people who watch it for the suspense and zombies, and get bored when the personal relationship parts go on for too long. I'm not judging or even saying that the haunted-house suspense parts are bad, just that they don't have much interest for me.

kmijyiyxfbklao•38m ago
I'm OK with you re-editing the movie as you watch it, but you can't say you watched the same movie as other people that don't do that.
crazygringo•31m ago
Nobody watches the same movie, the same way no man steps into the same river twice.

Some people have trouble following plot. Some people excuse themselves to use the bathroom. Some people have trouble catching all the dialog. Some people close their eyes during the scary parts. Different elements call up totally different associations in different people's brains. If you watch a movie a first time and then a second time, they're different movies. So I'm OK with watching a different movie, same as everybody else.

Often, when there's a really powerful scene, I'll rewatch it two or three times before continuing, too. Because there's more richness than I can capture with just one viewing, and I want to feel like I experience it fully before moving on. So that makes it a different movie too. I'm not going to let someone else dictate my experience.

elpocko•1h ago
I skip forward whenever someone starts singing, or there's a prolonged dance scene, or pointless montages with music. For example the Zion dance party in The Matrix Reloaded. Or the many movies showing people dancing at the wedding party for several minutes.

Taylor Sheridan shows: let's show a bit of nature with some country music playing for 20-30 seconds for no reason at all -- five times in a 42 minutes episode.

TheAceOfHearts•11m ago
I watch almost every movie at 2x and I think it usually makes the whole experience better for me. You can tailor your own media experiences however you want. If you disagree with a director's vision for a movie you can bring your own perspective, there's no right or wrong way to watch a movie. It's no different to picking out a specific track in an album, or finding a hook you really enjoy from a specific track and playing it on repeat.

One of the most recent movies I watched and really enjoyed was Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. It was an animation masterpiece, but I still skipped forward in a couple scenes because I don't care about the characters. Some of the animation sequences were interesting enough to merit slowing down to 1x and even going back to rewatch and analyze them in-depth though.

Sometimes I'll encounter a seasonal anime that's quite terrible among multiple dimensions but which has few interesting aspects like creative art design or a couple interesting sequences, so I skim through it to look for those details in order to take them in. It's possible to appreciate various components of a work without caring for the combined result.

One of the things which helped break me out of the normative movie-watching perspective was encountering this art project where a social media page would post every Spongebob frame in order [0]. It made me really start paying attention to a ton of minor details that I hadn't noticed previously, increasing my appreciation for the work that went into making it happen.

In the past you really had no choice but to submit to the director's vision of a work, and you were forced to experience it the same as everyone else in the theater. Now we have more control than ever to enjoy works however we want. Game modding is another variation on this same principle: if I think a game has some bullshit mechanics, I should be able to patch it and play it however I want.

[0] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/every-spongebob-frame-i...

brailsafe•1h ago
> But I also make liberal use of 2x speed and +5s during interminably long suspense sequences that are literally just someone walking through a dark environment while spooky music plays.

Do you do this for movies you're watching on your own for enjoyment or that you're required to watch for some reason? I'm not particularly interested in film, and have adhd, but can't think of a time where I've ever done this, so it's hard for me to read your comment and think that while you may not struggle with attention per se, such a level of discomfort and impatience is like not being able to walk around without earbuds in, or go for a hike without a Bluetooth speaker or phone

crazygringo•1h ago
See my reply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46838651
gdulli•1h ago
If people are feeling entitled to a certain pace of spectacle and action as they write off everything in between as virtueless boredom, that's more damaging to the culture than a certain percentage simply no longer watching movies. That's how we get Netflix dumbing down their movies for everyone. There's nuance and value to a scene you may not immediately and consciously notice. And on a more meta level, pacing contributes to the overall experience of a movie even if there's not necessarily important subtext to a given scene that doesn't have action or explicit plot development.
WalterBright•1h ago
Once you know about "Save The Cat!" it becomes boring to watch a movie that follows the formula.

I noticed even back in the 80s that too many movies ended in the "chase through the darkened warehouse". The movie will be doing fine, until somehow the hero and villain wind up in a dark, abandoned warehouse, ship, factory, whatever. Then they have a long, drawn out fight. Then the bad guy gets killed. Movie over? Nope. The bad guy rises from the dead and has to be killed again. Sometimes even a third time.

Then there are movies with the party of 10 people or so. The point is to kill them off one by one, each in a gruesomely different way, until the star is the only one left. Movies also telegraph who in the party is going to die next. It's the person who reflects on something innocuous, like "isn't it nice to hear the birds singing!". Dead meat, every time. The only interesting thing to do with these movies is make bets on the order of the deaths.

"Game of Thrones" was interesting because it did not follow any formula I could discern, except for the last two seasons.

mmooss•50m ago
I try not to think too much in those circumstances. It's often better not to know, not to notice, though it's not always possible.

People like genre and formula; it's not necessarily a negative - pop songs follow structures and formulas over and over. Also, creative artists can innovate by varying those structures and playing with expectations that don't exist in less formulaic creations.

There is plenty of non-formulaic film (and other arts) if you want it? I'm sure you must know that.

mmooss•58m ago
I think you're projecting your personal perferences onto everyone else:

> genuinely excruciatingly slow and boring

> there's nothing to pay attention to ... suffering through boredom

They are genuinely that way for you, which is fine. Others feel differently and that's just as genuine and valid. For many, the film school movies are works of genius, wonders to behold and genuinely enjoy. Where you see 'nothing to pay attention to', others may see and feel quite a bit.

I can't acquire the sophistication to understand everything in the world - there is not nealry enough time in life. But if I don't have the understanding to taste the wonders of fine wine doesn't mean they don't exist or that the $10 bottle is just as good. I'm just missing out and others know more - that's most of life (and I listen to them and try to learn a little).

semilin•1h ago
If you really care about something, screen addiction does not interfere. A friend of mine has a terrible Instagram addiction, yet has developed for himself a certain degree of cinephilia lately -- we've watched long movies together in theaters and not once has he been on his phone during the screenings. When one has faith that sustained attention might hold more value than that gained by interruption, they tend to prioritize the former.

But the article points out that the students here don't even watch movies themselves -- "students have struggled to name any film" they recently watched. Why are these people even studying film? The inattention is clearly caused by disinterest.

The phenomenon observed here must be caused by a combination of the general loss of discipline (which is the fallback attentive mechanism when interest is absent) and students' disinterest in the field they chose to study. The former has been well known; the latter is worth considering more.

u1hcw9nx•1h ago
Good point. Maybe "film student" is the modern version of "studied art history".
ksymph•1h ago
That was my thinking too. Not everyone has been or will be interested in (slow) movies, but historically those people wouldn't be studying film. It's not exactly a lucrative field.
bigthymer•35m ago
I wonder if the students are going into film but actually just want to work in social media in which case it all makes sense.
Der_Einzige•1h ago
How do I sqaure this circle with that the biggest films in the last two decades have been Avatar, Avatar: The Way of Water, and Avatar: Fire and Ash

2h 42m, 3 hours 12 minutes, and 3 hours 15 minutes.

All 3 are WAY too long and Way of Water in particular felt like it was 4+ hours subjectively.

Yet, they're literally the biggest films EVER by gross.

So seems the general public has longer attention spans than film students. This isn't the first time that lay people are objectively better/smarter than so-called "professionals" in a field.

lexiathan•1h ago
In defense of the students: the types of films that you watch as part of a film study curriculum are generally not the same as what most cinema-goers are watching. For example, "Man with a Movie Camera"--or 150 minutes of someone's black and white movie about the life of urban pigeons... present-day film students who grew up watching movies with tight editing, fast cuts, high resolution color and sound, and quick narrative payoffs are not going to respond to these movies the same way that people did a century ago.

This is not to say that historical films lack value; but sitting all the way through them with rapt attention is not necessarily as easy as you'd imagine.

ttoinou•1h ago
Yeah but you have to watch Man with a Movie Camera with a good soundtrack like The Cinematic Orchestra one. Then it becomes the best non verbal movie ever.
lexiathan•1h ago
I'll add it to my list!
mmooss•1h ago
The prior generation of film students grew up the same way, and the one before that. Remember westerns, for example?

If you're a film student, presumably you are interested in the art and technique, and then films like "Man with a Movie Camera" are fascinating and beautiful. Similarly, Vim does not appeal to a public accustomed to simple apps, no learning curve, gamification, and lots of graphics; but computer professionals see it as a thing of beauty.

Gimpei•1h ago
I took a bunch of film classes in college and what they’re not mentioning is that sometimes the films bring assigned are crazy boring. I once had to watch an hour of footage shot from a camera in an outdoor elevator as it went up and down. One hour. The professor said it was the perfect summation of everything he’d been discussing over the term. I swear I’m not joking.
endominus•1h ago
Why did the author feel the need to throw in a spoiler for the end of The Conversation in the last paragraph of the article? That seems contradictory to the point of everything else she wrote and disrespectful to both the audience and the film.
sowbug•31m ago
She put it at the end of the article. If her premise is correct, it will remain safely unread.
metabagel•1h ago
If you’re really studying film, there is a lot to pay attention to in every scene. If you’re just watching films to be entertained, then yes, older movies have a slower pace and can sometimes be boring.

I think a film student would often be asking themselves why it was shot that way and what they might do differently.

mmooss•1h ago
Often media forms make sense in their original context and make less sense the more the current context differs. In classical music orchestras, for example, many identical instruments play simultaneously, unlike in jazz or blues/folk/rock/pop. IMHO that makes more sense in a context without amplification, without few sounds are that loud (making it more special and dramatic), and in an industrial society where the common solution is lots of workers performing identical tasks. We can also think of media forms as technologies and see them similarly.

For video the context is shifting: As an hypothesis, the length of the media could be viewed as ROI for the required commitment. In the context where watching a film required going to a theater, 30 seconds or 30 minutes would be poor ROI - you plan, travel, give up everything else you're doing, pay ... you'd be unhappy if it was over in 30 minutes. In a context where the commitment is pulling your phone from your pocket and tapping it a few times, 30 seconds can be fine and you usually wouldn't want stand there for 2 hours.

Each form has advantages and disadvantages; I think it's a normal but clear error to say what came first, what we're more familiar with, is better. We do and will lose things with change, but we'll gain others. We don't lose them completely - there are still classical orchestras though no more riots over a premiere. But the energy of innovation is not in classical music, jazz or rock - people listen to the old stuff mostly - and maybe less in film. I expect that many of the young, innovative geniuses who in the past would have made classical music or jazz or rock, or written novels, are now making computer games - they are embracing the newish frontier, and the exciting thing of their youth.

So far, film seems to coexist pretty well; there seems to be plenty of creative energy on the high end, but we'll see. What about small independent films? What about film schools?

vitaelabitur•1h ago
We traded books for films, and now films for short videos, always moving towards what is easier to enjoy.

Quite a while ago, books became a taste that needs to be patiently acquired. Someone starting to read today is more likely to develop the taste by gradually easing into books that demand more and more. Say maybe Huxley -> Camus -> Wilde -> Dostoevsky.

Now that short clips are here, the same has happened to films. The uninitiated need to sit through Scorsese, Hitchcock, Wilder, Kubrick, Altman before attempting Fellini, Antonioni, Tarkovsky, Ozu, Resnais.

And by the way, someone who is naturally inclined to love films (or books) won't be affected, even today. Am I wrong? The way they are described here, I would crush these film students.

jfengel•1h ago
It helped that books were all we had. I probably would have preferred little snippets of dopamine, too.

I'm kinda glad I walked across campus glued to a book. But it was the same low tolerance for boredom that people show today.

lysace•1h ago
From a programmer perspective:

(Old man yelling at the sky.)

It's been this exponential progress in distraction (internet, social networks, weaponizing human psychology to make money).

I got into programming in the late 80s/early 90s. If I were a teenager today, I'm not sure I would have the willpower to suffer through enough focused boredom to really learn.

thefz•1h ago
Maybe try presenting them 15 seconds at a time, in portrait mode with bouncy subtitles.