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Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

https://internationaljournalofwellbeing.org/index.php/ijow/article/view/6001/1299
38•late•3h ago

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madhacker•1h ago
As a former young adult, I can attest to this self-loathing discontentment.
lysace•1h ago
Clickbait/editorializing in submission title. Also: Paper doesn't robustly support this statement.

The actual title of the paper: "Flourishing in Sweden: Great overall — but not for all"

But the poster clearly knows what kind of title makes a post fly.

MisterTea•1h ago
Page 21, 4.6 Conclusions explains it quite clearly:

> ... our findings highlight notable disparities—particularly among young adults—that underscore the need for more targeted efforts to promote flourishing across all segments of Swedish society.

lysace•1h ago
Does it really?
nonameiguess•38m ago
This was posted to Reddit's r/science five hours or so before the submission here, under roughly the same title but longer since Reddit allows longer titles. I'm sure they just saw it made r/all over there and figured copying it over more or less verbatim would achieve the same engagement as everyone plays with their favorite bugaboos about old people and maybe 3 people out of 100 wonder if the effect is consistent that young people are just generally less happy than older people regardless of the specific time at which you ask.
lysace•27m ago
So it's a litmus test of HN. Better than Reddit or not?
sejje•1h ago
I don't have a source, but I've been hearing that this is just common among young people everywhere.

They blamed social media for Americans.

nish__•1h ago
I'd blame technology altogether. People are losing their purpose.
bojan•1h ago
I'd blame the ever decreasing ratio between salaries and the cost of living.

And the fact that salaries don't really grow for years now, while the productivity, and so the generated wealth, does.

daseiner1•1h ago
meaningfully, this is equivalent to the parent commenter. "technology"

I loathe the "pop critique" employment of the phrase, but this is definitionally late-stage capitalism.

obviously capitalism is named as such because it is founded upon the concept of (private) capital. capital serves to lower margins and increase profitability. it has been remarkably successful and has immensely raised QoL for virtually the planet's entire population. we are now reckoning with its inevitable consequences. manpower is unreliable. it gets sick. it has children. it has eccentricities. it is fundamentally unpredictable. Capital seeks efficiency and reliability. What percentage of the population is capable of building data centers? Of engineering massive scale LLMs?

What happens when Capital no longer needs labor?

SimianSci•57m ago
The answer is and always has been "paperclips."

without human influence or directive, capital ceases to be become anything meaningful beyond [insert data type] at which point, it spreads like a cancer, ie: universal paperclips

Capitalism is revered due to how it has significantly impacted the living standards of populations that participate in it. But increasing the living standards of populations was never the purpose of capitalism, it was a simply a side-effect.

daseiner1•49m ago
Indeed. It is a blind force of nature.
colechristensen•52m ago
It's got nothing to do with that. People that don't need it are hoarding wealth.

It's real estate value all the way down. Apartments getting tinier while getting more expensive, homes being out of reach or taking up an enormous amount of total pay in order to finance.

People who own aren't living off their own labor's fruits saved for the future but on the massively increased value they're selling something they didn't have to pay nearly as much for. (not talking about inflation but actual hours of labor)

You have middle aged people doing not much better than introductory jobs because the people who needed to retire haven't.

The CEO pay multiple is just ridiculous.

daseiner1•49m ago
I don't believe we disagree.
PassingClouds•39m ago
I have said for a long time that if housing was cheaper, that is a good start to getting other thing under control. It gives folks a target to hit for stability. Once a bit more stable, it frees up opportunities to address other issues.

I say this as a home owner, let the market crash, I dont care what my house is valued as it is an asset not an investment.

ddellacosta•1h ago
> They blamed social media for Americans.

I think you meant "blamed Americans for social media" but at this point they both kinda fit

swasheck•1h ago
i interpreted it as "for the phenomenon noted in Americans, they blamed social media."
bryanlarsen•1h ago
Among young people everywhere and everywhen? I would guess that young people were less satisfied with life than older folks in most every time period.
sejje•30m ago
No, sorry -- I've heard the current crop of young people worldwide is reporting lower life satisfaction, high rates of mental health issues, etc
bryanlarsen•24m ago
Answering my own question: in the past life satisfaction studies were traditionally U-shaped; satisfaction was lowest at "mid-life crisis" age, and higher for the young and old.
avemuri•1h ago
Is there any period in history when the young people reported being as happy or happier than the older cohort?
asdff•1h ago
Right when LSD hit the scene. But seriously boomers in the US and europe had it great because they knew what their parents and grandparents went through. Until the vietnam draft for americans I guess.
jmcgough•1h ago
Many? Look generations after wars and economic depressions.
bryanlarsen•1h ago
Really? I would expect people at risk of being drafted during a war being much less happy than older people not at risk.
Ensorceled•56m ago
Why would you be worried about being drafted during a war AFTER the war?
bryanlarsen•46m ago
Sorry, misread your original comment. But it seems to me that young people in the 50's and 60's (aka the golden age most Americans think of) where much more dissatisfied than older people -- the 60's were notorious for protests.
ramuel•1h ago
hmm what a mystery. I wonder why
IncreasePosts•1h ago
I don't know much about Sweden - can you tell me?
Squarex•1h ago
immigration edit: I'm getting downvoted, but it is obviously what the parent meant.
ramuel•1h ago
correcto. Although to be fair that's not exclusively what I was implying.
weirdmantis69•57m ago
10000% true.
seneca•1h ago
This is one of those topics where everyone is going to insert their personal bête noire as the cause. "Tech, the economy, culture, immigrants, loss of religion, corruption, polarization, capitalism, socialism!". I actually really like threads like this, since it's a good way to get a pulse on what the different discontentment topics are at any given time.
daseiner1•1h ago
All of the boogeymen you mentioned are strands of a singular issue, a singular phenomenon.
nickez•47m ago
losing the gold standard 1971?
daseiner1•33m ago
when the ruling principles are growth, consumption, and profit, the ability to invent money tends to be quite appealing.
cosmic_quanta•46m ago
What is that singular phenomenon? What can result in blaming both capitalism and socialism, for example?
enemyz0r•32m ago
Displacing God as the center of life.
SketchySeaBeast•24m ago
Man, what does that say about the human race if we're only able to be happy under the dubious eye of a supranatural daddy?
leflambeur•2m ago
What if it's true that this daddy exists?
daseiner1•1m ago
this inevitable midwit take is funny to me. invariably mentioned by the "i am very logical" type while the necessity of a kind of faith is in fact a logical outcome of the experience of being a self-aware animal, an anxious, speculative, brilliant animal in a silent universe.

Man's original sin was recognition of his own nakedness.

stared•1h ago
…than in Norway, than old adults, that 20 years ago?
qweiopqweiop•1h ago
Sweden is such an interesting country. Arguably peak gender equality, but also child assassins and bombs right now. I hope they can sort out their issues.
dsign•1h ago
> but also child assassins and bombs right now

Yes, "interesting" is the right word. The government is talking about suspending cell phones for kids in connection to that. But honestly, what's really scary right now is how many kids and young adults seem to be "zombified" (for lack of a better word), and how bad this turns out later in the job market. Tomorrow I need to have a serious talk with my boss about how we should not hire a prospect because of total lack of in-person interactivity. Immigrants from war and poverty-stricken countries are over-represented in our "successful hires" pool because they still know how to speak.

1313ed01•1h ago
January 2026 was the first month since March 2018 with no one shot dead here in Sweden. I guess that is good, but one theory is that it is correlated with January also being the coldest month in decades, and low temperatures tend to calm things down.
pjerem•1h ago
Sorry but that’s just not true. You learn about what happens in Sweden because statistically it never happens.

On the other hand, the rest of the world never know about the latest bi-monthly school shooting in the US.

weirdmantis69•58m ago
Sorry but it is true, almost entirely because of immigration. https://dragonflyintelligence.com/news/sweden-gang-bombings-...

Wishing it away doesn't make it any less true.

10xDev•1h ago
> In Sweden and other parts of the Western world, for example, recent findings point to a widening intergenerational gap where older adults report increasing well being while younger individuals experience notable declines

So it is just a case of older people pulling the ladder up behind themselves.

polishdude20•1h ago
It's the baby boomer phenomenon. They reaped the rewards back then and are still reaping the rewards. The benefits have been following that age group through their lives. Its like a rolling window.
trgn•57m ago
somewhat tangential, but most interesting phenomeon is the phaseshift non-boomers will undergo when they're around 45, surveying what's left, realizing how much they have paid into the system already, and desperate to claim the same rewards. it's a perpetuum mobile. if it needs to end, the young will have to wrestle it from their seniors _now_, because that gap closes fast.
marcosdumay•40m ago
Most developed countries are peaking in costs to young people right now. The people entering workforce now are getting a huge bad surprise, but the cost of supporting older people will start to decrease very soon.

So, if you are looking for some future phase shift, you are searching for the wrong thing.

Also, most of the developing countries will be in that situation in ~20 years. Most underdeveloped ones will get there in an extra decade or two.

dinobones•57m ago
Can you blame them for existing during early globalization, before over the financialization of everything? It's not like they actively took more than they "should have" from anyone directly, it's a consequence of their local economy and where it was at the time.
kridsdale1•50m ago
They didn’t passively exist during it. They implemented it. They are culpable.
dinobones•31m ago
There are 67 million baby boomers in the US. How can you rationally blame them all? Roughly 20% of the population.

Saying the "boomers ruined everything" is not sophisticated, we can't move forward from a blame game, we have to diagnose the actions and actors that implemented them, but of course this is much more challenging.

Ancedotally, I know plenty of poor boomers. Have you seen who works at a Dollar Tree lately?

The popular dialogue that boomer=rich and greedy, millennial=poor and exploited is not productive, it's a fabricated generational war that distracts us from the real issues.

darth_avocado•47m ago
> It's not like they actively took more than they "should have" from anyone directly

And who do you think exactly contributed to the over financialization of everything? Every single thing, good or bad, is a direct result of the actions of the generation before. We can thank them for creating a world where women get to vote but also criticize them for creating a world where everything costs a million dollars and all young people can earn is pennies. At any point in time they could’ve been like “this may not in my selfish interest, but it will ensure the future generations can have the same life as i do” and pushed for policies accordingly. But that didn’t happen.

palmotea•36m ago
> And who do you think exactly contributed to the over financialization of everything? Every single thing, good or bad, is a direct result of the actions of the generation before.

Some elements of the generation before. It's is exceedingly unhelpful the blame an entire generation for the actions of a few. There were some elite people with a plan, many more who bought the propaganda they were served, and a lot who had nothing to do with any of it.

Also, it's worth noting (to help build empathy) that you and me likely have been suckered by propaganda for things that the next generation will curse us for, but we just think we're being sensible and informed.

The least you could do is blame an ideological faction of that generation (e.g. neoliberals), rather than blaming the whole generation itself. Among many advantages, that names the problem in a way that can solve it.

dinobones•35m ago
Has any society ever behaved that way? It's already a push to get people to think of the middle/lower classes during the present.

I understand the desire to find an entity or group of people to blame, but they were acting in their own self interest at a peak time, they didn't know the party would be over soon, for many of them, it still isn't.

dotdi•42m ago
You _can_ blame them for several high-impact things they willingly did or at least supported, e.g. benefiting greatly from public spending yet successively voting to restrict it later on; f*cking over the real estate market and squeezing younger generations with extreme rents/prices; refusing any kind of social reforms while it has been obvious for decades that current models don't scale; decoupling of productivity from wages; and last but not least racking up huge carbon debt that later generations will pay dearly for.
terespuwash•35m ago
> In fact, previous studies suggest that older adults tend to prioritize positive over negative information

So just avoiding the truth does the trick

lp4v4n•34m ago
Chronic housing shortage, peak social competition, education and labor cratering in value, inability to find a job despite advanced degrees, above average salaries that don't pay the cost of living, "once in a lifetime crisis" after crisis, art(cinema, music, etc) in decline, politically deadlocked society... The list is long.

I always find it funny to read the statistics about how life has never been easier when society is in clear disarray and the opportunities that existed just a few decades ago simply evaporated.

cal_dent•30m ago
Scratch the surface a little bit and it’s always comes down to housing/living costs.

More than enough work out there actually pays well in isolation to live a decent full life, it’s just relatively local housing costs it probably sucks.

And not just for young people. We’re fully in an environment where how good and flexible your life is is highly dependent on when you bought a home, or if you own a home.

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