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US repeals EPA endangerment finding for greenhouse gases

https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/12/climate/trump-repeals-epa-endangerment-finding
87•heresie-dabord•1h ago

Comments

typedef_struct•1h ago
You mean CO2 is not the same as CFCs?
baq•1h ago
CFCs are bad because they make the government get cancer. CO2 is fine because it'll make your grandchildren die in a heatwave or drown in a flood, that won't happen in the next few election cycles.
cucumber3732842•1h ago
The joke in the refrigeration industry is that "it's not bad for the environment until DuPont's patent expires".

Now obviously they were bad for the environment all along, but I don't think it's a coincidence that nothing was done about CFCs until the 3rd world got good at making them cheap.

The joke is getting a little out of date though since the new stuff is hydrocarbons and CO2 (and you can't patent those).

intexpress•1h ago
One step closer to Spaceballs
TrackerFF•1h ago
Trump has a couple of more years left on this planet. He'll never see the effects of his policies, but he'll do everything to please his donors. That's about it.
oulipo2•1h ago
Shameful
_heimdall•1h ago
The argument that Congress should pass law to allow specific actions by the executive branch is quite reasonable.

If only it wasn't being cherry picked to neuter the EPA while Border Patrol and ICE take it upon themselves to act as police forces on domestic soil.

actionfromafar•1h ago
Yep. Toilet schedules for every department should go through Congress, apparently. It's a deliberate design to flood an already very narrow zone, lawmaking.
ozzymuppet•1h ago
I wish I could unsubscribe from all US related news. It's just so depressing these days.
st_goliath•1h ago
Don't worry, this will probably be flagged to death and gone from the front page real soon.

EDIT: and it's gone. From #1 on the front page to page 14 or so in about 35 minutes. To be honest, that took a lot longer than I expected.

rcMgD2BwE72F•1h ago
That US administration wishes you would unsubscribe too.
saagarjha•1h ago
Yeah, I'd love to cancel my subscription to the administration too.
sajithdilshan•1h ago
It is sad that climate change has become a political issue and has grown so polarized that there is no middle ground anymore. One faction protests to ban everything related to fossil fuels and even goes so far as to disrupt public life and impose its ideology on others (e.g., Klima Klebers in Germany), while the other faction ignores the devastating effects of climate change on humans and future generations and pushes for increased greenhouse gas emissions. We need to meet in the middle and work together to ensure human well being without deindustrializing. In this respect, every political party and side has failed miserably over the last 30 years or so.
AlecSchueler•1h ago
Are you sure it's not just media magnifying the extremes? In my own bubble and honestly most of what I see online most people seem to believe in a middle ground.
afavour•1h ago
You’re comparing an extreme minority on one side to the mainstream view on the other.

Democrats are not banning everything related to fossil fuels, nor do they disrupt public life. They have simply applied subsidies to encourage environmental friendly choices. Which is exactly the middle ground you are asking for.

soulofmischief•1h ago
I think the days of playing softball are over. Whatever administration comes after this one, the gloves will still be off, and the hand heavy.
tcfhgj•1h ago
> and impose its ideology on others (e.g., Klima Klebers in Germany)

what does "impose its ideology" mean?

they were protesting for the government to uphold their own promises and use low hanging fruits which are even beneficial beyond reducing green house gases.

Intermernet•1h ago
The problem is that there isn't really a middle ground. The damage is done and no actions taken now will have a quick, politically measurable effect. The people arguing against action are relying on the delay between action and effect. If you can't see it now (despite actual measurable data being available for at least the last 2 decades) then it must be a lie.

I'm still not sure what the climate change denialists see as the goal of "big climate". All of the money and profit is on the side of continuing to fuck the climate. All of the projects to alleviate the problem are expensive and have very little profit to be gained, but apparently it's a conspiracy of academics on minimum wage in various university research centers who are determined to take the money from our wonderful oil and mining benefactors (who have nothing but our best interests at heart). What's worse is they want to push technology that gives us energy for free! Must be a bunch of communists or something!

mrtksn•1h ago
Wouldn't this increase US exposure to foreign intervention in the future? Although China is the worst offender, since a while now they are getting their stuff together. They suffered and later fixed some gross air pollutions in their cities.

The rest of the world is also pretty much on board with this clean air and climate change stuff as it turns out people generally like clean air, so if this sticks at some point the only logical next step would be to compel US to stop polluting the world.

If I understand correctly, this also removes EPA ability to regulate car emissions, arguing that it will allow for cheaper cars. Why would US public really wants newly made clunkers on their cities? Polluting cars are horrible city life quality downgrade that even the rich can't escape.

Also, will this allow to put the banned due to the dieselgate VW vehicles back on the roads?

kasey_junk•1h ago
Or to move your polluting industry there
mrtksn•1h ago
That ship sailed with the destruction of the global world order. The polluting industries probably don't have to be polluting when you take care of the pollutants.
afavour•1h ago
I don’t know by what means foreign countries would intervene in the US. They’d just ignore whatever is requested of them.

But it will increase US dependency on foreign countries in the long term. EVs are the future and if US manufacturers aren’t working on them then they’ll continue to lose market share to foreign companies.

mrtksn•22m ago
US is 350M people, let's say everyone is climate change sceptic and together with Russia, Australia and Saudi Arabia it totals to about 550M people.

In the rest of the world the idea that you can just just pump as much as smoke you like and it will magically disappear isn't popular. Maybe because they all had some polluting industry around that made them miserable or maybe because they live in dirty overcrowded cities and noticed that smog isn't pleasant or maybe because they don't have much fossil energy sources, they are generally not skeptical of the idea that "not polluting is good". Just as with vaccines or abortion, climate change or simply the desire to live in a clean environment isn't a divisive topic in most of the world.

So its going to be 8B people trying to compel 0.5B people to live in clean environments and take care of the output of their industries. I think the 8B will be able to do that one way or another.

Ray20•1h ago
> The rest of the world is also pretty much on board with this clean air and climate change stuff as it turns out people generally like clean air

Are you sure about that? Or you mistaking the world's opinion for that of the out-of-touch elites living in their lofty ivory towers? Because in the world, outside the media controlled by these elites, I see the exact opposite: it turns out THE WORLD generally like electricity at 2 cents per kwh (not 50 cents how elites like it), no matter how much carbon dioxide it emits.

bryanlarsen•1h ago
AFAICT the only 2c/kwh electricity is solar or hydro.
mrtksn•1h ago
I'm pretty sure. Once I sniffed air as a non-elite and I like it clean.
GorbachevyChase•1h ago
The rest of the world is not on board. Western Europe, United States, and Australia take “breathing considered harmful“ seriously. No other country does, and nobody else is deliberately suppressing their growth. There are plenty of countries taking western money to pretend that they do.
mrtksn•56m ago
Believe it or not, most of the people on earth don't worship growth. No one cares about growth just as no one cares about climate change, people want improvement on their lives and a future that can be good. Some policies like paper straws downgrade it and other policies like clean air upgrade it.

When you start thinking in more abstract terms, growth v.s. climate change associated risks is a false dichotomy.

Of course people at first all they care is to get out of a bad situation like poverty but once they are out of poverty they start caring for other things like the future of their children. Apart of fossil energy producing countries like USA/Russia/Australia, people don't pretend that pollution is no biggie.

ZeroGravitas•53m ago
Generally these things follow a Kuznets Curve where you get rich from polluting and then are eventually rich enough to care about poisoning your children.

China's bad air around the time of their Olympics is pointed to as being a turning point that could have toppled the government if not dealt with.

Slightly uniquely they seem to have discovered a way to become even richer by cleaning up their pollution, the timing for EV and renewables working out well, and presumably many other nations will try to follow that pattern going forward.

Even just buying these things from China will make both sides of the trade richer compared with dirtier alternatives.

trueismywork•50s ago
Despite this, since 1980, US, EU and Australia have been the biggest polluters since 1980 when climate change was first known.
trueismywork•2m ago
China was an offender at the time yes. But even so, since 1980, when effects of climate change were first known, US has emitted 250Gt and China only 263 Gt, which in per capita terms places US at 690t/p and China at 185 t/p. This is despite China having one child policy since 1979 (which by the way has been heavily criticized by the US).

In all, the case for US being the real villain here keeps getting stronger and stronger.

Madmallard•1h ago
How exactly is this not just like a global policy thing rather than EPA? Surely our emissions affect other countries' qualities of life so the decision is not just up to us.
y0ssar1an•1h ago
every day the US strays further from the light :(
blondie9x•1h ago
CO2 in and of itself is harmful to human health. The Trump presidency is just trying to protect coal and oil for some reason. Money, lobbying, bribery?

Right voters. Ditch this orange madman and those who seek to follow in his footsteps. We need to focus on the adverse health impacts of this gas as priority beyond the impact on the greenhouse effect.

https://open.substack.com/pub/minimallysustained/p/beyond-th...

Intermernet•1h ago
This is a bad take. CO2 will not harm your personal health in the short term, in the amounts measured in current atmospheric readings. You personally have a higher percentage of CO2 in your body every time you breathe. You currently breathe about 430 ppm of CO2. Toxic levels are above 5000 ppm (40000 is regarded as immediately dangerous).

You're arguing the right side but you're using the wrong arguments. This is actually counter productive.

GorbachevyChase•54m ago
You breathe out CO2. Maybe you should stop doing that?
mapontosevenths•1h ago
My first thought when seeing this was "OH! There must be new science." That does not seem to be the case. I'm going to need to adjust my understanding of how the world works.

I suspect that the "Champion of Beautiful, Clean Coal" is just living up to his side of the contract.[0]

[0] https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/budget...

cbg0•58m ago
Sounds like healthcare costs are going up in the USA.
padjo•55m ago
I think we should lock them all in a room filled with CO2 and methane and then ask them if they still think they're not harmful.

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